Sarkozy a terrorist?

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nicolas Sarkozy ordered the assassination of Hugo Chavez

    The Venezuelan Minister of Correctional Services, Iris Varela, has announced on her Twitter account the expulsion of a French citizen known as Frédéric Laurent Bouquet, December 29, 2012

    Mr. Bouquet (photo) had been arrested in Caracas on June 18, 2009, with three Dominican nationals in possession of an arsenal.
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    During his trial, Mr. Bouquet admitted he had been trained in Israel and was an agent of French military intelligence service (DGSE). He admitted planning an attack to assassinate Constitutional President Hugo Chavez.
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    From our investigation we can conclude that:
    - (1) President Nicolas Sarkozy had ordered the assassination of his counterpart Hugo Chavez;

    - (2) the operation was a fiasco;

    - (3) France granted substantial compensation to stifle this matter during Mr Sarkozy’s term in office.


    http://www.voltairenet.org/article177049.html
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    First time I heard this, actually, I found it in another forum.
    Hard to believe Sarkozy would do something so low and WHY? What benefit would be in it for him, if Chavez was dead?

    Does anybody know more about this?
     
  2. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    I pretty much consider this unsubstianted propaganda. I just did some research on this, and the release of this at the end of December is the first information I could find in this incident. Looking back through Google News, I found nothing from 2009, 2010, or 2011. And I find it hard to believe that this was real, and was not publicized anywhere prior to the release of this individual from jail.

    No press release of the arrest, of the investigation, the trial, or the sentencing. If this was real, we would have been hearing propaganda about this years ago, or during the trial. Not when the individual was released.

    So consider me extremely skeptical.
     
  3. RoccoR

    RoccoR Well-Known Member Donor

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    Mushroom, et al,

    It is not terrorism, per se.

    (COMMENT)

    It is the corruption of the office and an abuse of power and authority.

    Terrorism is an over used word these days. There must be three principle purposes to the action that constitutes terrorism.

    • Fear: The action must instill a true measure of fear and a clear source of the threat. If you are unafraid, it is not true terrorism.
    • Political Aim: If there is no specific political aim or specific agenda furthered by the action, then it is not terrorism. The elimination of rivals is a criminal attempt to maintain power and influence (like crime bosses battling it out for supremacy).
    • Coercion: If the action does not intimidate a specific segment to move in a specific direction, then it is not terrorism.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
  4. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    I am not actually commenting on it one way or another. I seriously question if it even happened.

    Even during the height of the Stalin era, incidents like this were not covered this way. There would be press released about the arrest of the individual, releases about the investigation results and pending trial, a media circus around the trial itself, then the self-rightous indignation of the conviction and sentence.

    In this incident, there is absolutely no information at all that I could find about this individual or the charges prior to his being released from jail. And this is not really even a press release, it is a twitter blurb from a Venezuelan government official. And as yet nothing from France either.

    I question if it ever happened, and all of the content in the message. In fact, I also partially blame the major news networks who have reported this, apparently doing no fact checking before publicizing this. imagine the US doing this, announcing the release of a foreign national from jail who was arrested, given a trial and served time without nothing ever being released in the press prior. We do not even do that to people in GITMO who never stepped foot in the US, let alone people arrested and convicted inside the country.

    Sorry, it just stinks.
     
  5. william walker

    william walker New Member

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    This is utter tosh, why would Sarkozy want to kill Chavez? Why was the French person trained in Israel? A Youtuber called Moaist Rebel News 2 said something about a agent with weapons in Venezuela and a fire at a oil refinery, but that's the closest thing I have heard. Of course there was the thing about the US giving Chavez cancer.
     
  6. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would this go under terrorism?....

    Gaddafi was killed by French secret serviceman on orders of Nicolas Sarkozy, sources claim

    French secret serviceman acting on the express orders of Nicolas Sarkozy is suspected of murdering Colonel Gaddafi, it was sensationally claimed today.

    He is said to have infiltrated a violent mob mutilating the captured Libyan dictator last year and shot him in the head.

    The motive, according to well-placed sources in the North African country, was to stop Gaddafi being interrogated about his highly suspicious links with Sarkozy, who was President of France at the time.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...olas-Sarkozy-sources-claim.html#ixzz2He3tUC9p

    Would this article lend a bit more credibility to the assassination story about Chavez? Or are both stories part of a smear campaign against Sarkozy by ? someone.
     
  7. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    Not really.

    Come on, the current Prime Minister is the one making this claim. This is not credible at all, it is political. So we are now hearing from the Prime Minister that a foreign reporter told them it might have been an assassination, and that might have been done by the French. This is rumor upon conspiracy theory upon political ambition.

    Credability scale, low. I am interested in facts, not conspiracy theory.
     
  8. RoccoR

    RoccoR Well-Known Member Donor

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    Jazz, et al,

    Again, this is a criminal use of power. It is the equivalent to the misappropriation of government resources for personal use to commit a felony.

    (COMMENT)

    Now, not that I condone this, but there are times when the use of resource for the termination of a target is necessary. But there has to be a very good reason. Something other than "embarrassment." It has to be of such importance, that it rises to the level of true national security threat.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
  9. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, there are rumors, but I tend to believe Gaddafi. He had no reason anymore to keep it secret...the money he gave Sarkozy for his campaign. That was dumb of him, he should have known not to trust Sarkozy. One doesn't buy friends! Period!
    Read here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...olas-Sarkozy-sources-claim.html#ixzz2HuVa0SEy
     

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