Saudi Arabia threatens ‘military action’ if Qatar purchases Russian S-400 systems

Well, that's all we need - a war between SA and Qatar.

 

It would last about 5 minutes before Qatar would be joining the kingdom whether Iran likes it or not. Iran and Russia courting Qatar is part of the Iranian effort to achieve supremacy in the Middle East.

 

I agree that Qatar is to small to defend itself from a country like KSA. With the production of Qatar, it would make a situation like we had with Kuwait, and someone would have to step in to prevent their collapse. Otherwise KSA would have even more control of the oil market and all the natural resources in Qatar, making the KSA way to influential and powerful.

 

Its tough when we are talking defensive weapons, I think the real problem is the systems range which would cover much of the kingdom.

 

I disagree. KSA, especially under MBS is pro-western nation and ally against the Russia/Iran bloc. At any rate no one who could stop SA from taking out Qatar has the ability to prevent it.

 

Anybody complaining about russia and the crim then would be a pretty big hipocrit if they dont put sanctions or worse on arabia in the event of such a invasion

 

I don't see that happening. SA exports oil not raisins. No one who matters is going to cut their own nose off to spite their face.

 

I disagree, letting them invade and take Qatars resources would give them to much power, just like Iraq taking Kuwait would have. Both of their military's suck when facing world powers, nobody is going to let them just take that much money, UN security council would be against this. In the end the world divided those territories for a reason.

 

The UN and EU don't have armies and the US would veto any move in the Security Council to harm SA. The US won't stand in their way militarily. What world power do you think would move to oppose them and with what?

 

And at the same time, Saudi Arabia also wants to buy Russian S 400. After the complete failure of the American "Patriots"

It is interesting to look at the war of two ridiculous troops. The Saudis can not cope with Yemen. Qatar is just as useless as the state in terms of military power.

 

It was funny.... Have the Saudis already annexed Yemen?

 

The UN Security Council was against the bombing of Yugoslavia. So what?

Now everyone does not care about the UN. This office also rotted, as the "League of Nations" rotted in its time. Now the law of the jungle operates in the world

 

No, they haven't tried to annex it. They don't want it. They want the Iranians out of it.

 

Doesn't Turkey have a lot of troops there and have declared their protection?

 

The Turks have some troops there, and certainly no means of defending Qatar.

Were the Saudis to seize Qatar the Turks would be able to do little except rally diplomatic and political opposition to the KSA. Don't get me wrong, this rallying would be meaningful and might even bring the KSA to it's knees, but it wouldn't take the form of a Turkish invasion of the Peninsula. Geography and geopolitics simply preclude this option.

 

I don't think Erdogan could do much to rally world opinion. He has few friends himself and is known as a dictator and pro-Iranian islamist. Saudi would face a few nasty speeches in the UN but the US veto would protect them from any real harm there. Iran would fires some missiles which would land in the sand and SA would fire some back and the hot phase would be over. Just another detail in the very long war between Sunni and Shia.

 

He doesn't need to rally world opinion, he needs to rally Arab opinion. That's something he's fully capable of.

I don't know where you get he idea that he's pro-Iranian. The proxy struggle between Turkey and Iran is deeper and more real than the proxy struggle between Iran and the KSA. It just doesn't have all the same bluster.

I don't think the Iranians would be very involved at all. The Arab world is divided into a number of camps, but two of the larger ones are the fearful and pragmatic MBS clique who would to align themselves closely with the United States to counterbalance both Iranian and Islamist threats, and the Muslim Brotherhood-esque clique that aligns itself more closely with Turkey and Qatar.

The latter will come out on top, and an invasion of Qatar would hasten the process.

 

I don't think Turkey would have any interest in invading SA, but they probably have the military to hold off SA and provide a nice counter punch. Given the US base in Qatar and our defense agreement any attack from SA would have to be greatly channeled unless Trump completely backstab our ally.

 

No, they don't at all. Their presence in Qatar is token.

A Saudi invasion of Qatar would be tense for everybody. The Americans would probably be unhappy with the Saudi decision, but wouldn't trumpet this fact too loudly.

 

I think your admission that Qatar are involved with Iran, Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood-esque clique you mention explains why only those portions of the world and not the Arab nations at large will come to Qatar's aid. Qatar is trying to ride two horses and its going to fall.

 

Ahh, But Qatar has Jared. They may have him on a time payment plan in which case whatever Qatar wants Qatar gets.

 

We have some leaps here to untangle. The Qatari "involvement" with Iran is more incidental than Qatari "involvement" with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Now first of all I want to make it clear that when I refer to the "Muslim Brotherhood" I'm referring to all political groups in the Middle East that share MB values and strategies. In the Syrian Civil War and Iraqi domestic politics these groups have been emphatically anti-Iranian.

Qatar isn't the only country riding two horses. While Qatar leans more heavily on the more stable horse, the Saudis lean more heavily on an unstable horse. The result is that while Qatar is practically helpless in terms of warfighting capabilities, it's values and ambitions are likely to come out on top, while the Saudis have taken politically unpopular decision after politically unpopular decision time after time. The country just screams "coup-in-waiting.

 

I think you are paying too much attention to MBS haters

 

I think you're paying too little heed. I guess time will tell.

 

And what are their successes?