Scarlett Johansson and SodaStream dumped.

sorry bro, Zionism means supporting the establishment and maintaining of the State of Israel.

nothing more, nothing less.

however, one can be a right-wing extremist Neo-Zionist, or one can be a Liberal Zionist like myself.

 

Completely false. You'll find a list of various flavours of Zionism here which hole and sink such misinformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

 

there are many streams of Zionism.

left wing, right wing, moderate.

what they all share, is their acceptance of the State of Israel.

that's what Zionism means.

 

The problem with that subjective abrogation is that it legitimizes in some quarters the ideological justification for the attainment of the Greater Israel by another means, albeit one that is more conducive to mainstream liberal opinion. I understand very well from your posts on Israel that you follow in the tradition of Liberal Zionism as, for example, articulated by former Israeli foreign minister, Shlomo Ben Ali.

Liberal Zionism is an attempt to make the unpalatable more palatable among 'polite society' and throughout academia in Israel and further afield. This is achieved as result of the softening of rhetoric creating the illusion that genuine debate inside Israel is alive and well. This is one of the main factors that underpin the ideology pertaining to Liberal Zionism - a truth acknowledged by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe.

Pappe pointed out that the parameters in which political debate is undertaken in regards to Israel/Palestine is so limited as to be objectively meaningless. Liberal Zionism reinforces this limitation while simultaneously perpetuating the illusion that the Liberal Zionist ideological current is fundamentally and objectively any different from its other offshoots. In other words, Liberal Zionism serves as a political tool. If you cannot see that, I pity you.

 

You've already demonstrated that you don't know what Zionism is. Why keep digging ?

Of course, spiritual Zionism, the true and original Zionism is not concerned with real estate at all, let alone stealing it. Zion is a spiritual attainment, not an illegally-occupied territory in the Middle East.

 

Not that you would have a clue, but your link supports his assertion.

"Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security."

 

Do I see a ' since the establishment of ' and a ' primarily ' in there ? You're talking neo-zionism and that's only one aspect.

 

?????? Yeah. we all find ourselves in the present, and not 67 years ago. That time has come and gone.

 

its funny when non-Jews who post anti-Semitic bull(*)(*)(*)(*), accuse Jews of not knowing what Zionism means.

 

I take my lead from an Israeli historian. It's you who hasn't a clue.

 

Zionism is supporting the creation and maintaining of a Jewish State in Palestine.

it doesn't get any simpler than this.

 

Too simplistic. You ignore the neozionism aspect which is really what we are talking about here. The fact that you cannot apparently see that the worthy initial aims and aspirations of the early Zionist movement have been subsequently co-opted by expansionist fascists is rather telling.

 

cry me a river.

Neo-Zionism does not equal Zionism.

only partisan hacks believe this.

Its like saying all Democrats are Communists

 

No, he quite clearly stated, repeatedly, "zionism". "neozionism" is just your strawman you are running to for refuge.

 

Fascists identify and have therefore co-opted Zionism. Not Liberal Zionism, granted, but Zionism nevertheless. Try to think of it as akin to the hijacking of the union flag by the fascist BNP in the UK.

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I know what he stated and no, I'm not running for refuge. You don't understand that neoZionism and Zionism are often conflated.

 

If you talk about neo-zionism you should state neo-zionism, (*)(*)(*)(*)ting all over zionism because you are angry on some settlers doesnt give credit to your claim.

 

Better that the umbrella term ' Zionism ' is used and then you can enquire as to which flavour.

 

That what you get when Hamasnic explains Zionism....

There is nothing "spiritual" in Zionism, Zionism is an active movement to begin with, what you ment was refered to the word Zion in the Bible, Zion was to some a spiritual place, Zionism preeched to act toward the creation or restablishment of Zion. and Zion is Jerusalem according to the Bible.

 

The point I'm making that you and others are not getting is that neoZionists often self-identify under the Zionism umbrella. I agree with moon that the motivations of those who self-identify as Zionists can be subsequently unpacked for clarity.

 

Neo-Zionists who claim that they are just average Zionists, are liars.

don't accept their lies.

 

No, Moon has a diffrent agenda, he is against the entire idea of Israel and he truly opposes Zionism, he uses neo-zionism to bash Zionism but Israel as a Jewish state is his target. that's Hamas view - aside for helping old ladies cross the road and feeding the poor - they are also a terror organization.

 

you choose to ignore Zionists who are Liberals and support equality and freedom for all.

that is because its politically convenient for you to make believe all Zionists are right-wing extremist pigs.

living in denial doesn't make you right.

 

Underpinning the key political motivating factor of many of those who self-identify with Zionism as a colonial project is the question of the Biblical imperative. Unfortunately, Zionism in the 21st century has become a by-word for a repugnant political ideology predicated on illegality and fascism.

 

The problem though is that even people who self-identify as Liberal Zionists often use this mantle deceptively.

 

On the contrary, I'm very familiar with the Liberal Zionist perspective of the former Israeli Foreign Minister, Shlomo Ben Ami, for example, whose views strike me as contradictory. I am clear in my own mind that if his outlook is anything to go by, Liberal Zionism is used as an ideological cover for the crimes committed by the Israeli state.