School Choice - FAIL

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  1. Clint Torres

    Clint Torres New Member

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    Constitution interpretation is like a turd, everyone can squeeze one out, and it all looks different, and means jack squat. Fact is, private schools are far superior than public schools and their high cost beaurocracy, with ongoing failure. In CA they only graduate 75%, and that's accoridng to their sales numbers. In NV thy graduate about 62%, and that's their sales numbers.
    Although these failing schools continue to suck the economy and States dry, the politicans can't do a thing about it. Hence the failure of the USA.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Not if you are a good teacher. Teachers are supposed to do bell to bell instruction. And even in the case you are a slacker teacher, a teacher is responsible for what happens in his/her classroom, even when taking a bathroom break, hence teachers really can't even do that.


    Then you need to leave the country. This country's laws are based on the Constitution. If you don't like it, leave.
     
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    Teachers in my school do it all the time. And no, you aren't supposed to do bell to bell instruction. When is there time to do homework? The Constitution is worthless junk. It doesn't mean that I have to leave the country because I disagree with what a piece of paper says.
     
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    Medicare and social security aren't mentioned in the constitution. The constitution was meant to change with the times.
     
  5. perdidochas

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    Actually, teachers in Florida have an evaluation system. That system assumes bell to bell instruction. Teachers that dont' have bell to bell instruction can be punished for it.

    Homework means that you do it at home.

    If you disagree with the Constitution, you should just leave.

    Also, go back to doing your homework.
     
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    Yes, that is what the amendment process is for. Medicare and social security are unconstitutional. There is nothing that authorizes the federal government to implement them. Unfortunately, liberals (and too many conservatives) ignore that the Constitution strictly states what the federal government is allowed to do.
     
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    Your school system sucks. Good teachers are able to get everything taught in class and have time to do assignments so that the kids don't have homework.
     
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    The government doesn't care about the constitution either, so maybe it's you who should be leaving.
     
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    What the hell is the point in Congress if they can't make any new laws without amending the constitution?
     
  10. Clint Torres

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    You must be from a country other than the USA. In the USA public school teachers and their massive beaurocracy of administrators work about 2 classes a year, and they have a lot of time off other than all their staff meetings to "discuss topics that make them feel good". In the USA they also teach classes of about 20 students. Private schools in the USA have more kids in the class, just like in other countries, and they teach upwards of 4 to 5 classes per day, and get paid almost 20% less without the elaborate privilaged benifits of the public school teacher. But then again, the public schools government employee unions protect workers comp teachers and adminstrators so unlike private schools, the public schools cost more because of the gold brickers and carpal tunnel cases, as well as the chronic back people who make a decent wage attending meetings.
     
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    All this talk of constitution is just a diversion to fool people in thinking they are doing something immoral. Fact is, the government still needs to monitor and regulate the massive public schools, and they don't need to amend any constitution to do it. Privatize the public schools, have the government oversee it like they do medical treatment, and let the private sector have at it. This way all the lame teachers and administrators that suck off the taxpayer will be out of a job, or forced to step out of their little privilaged safe and sheltered work environment, and compete in the real world of employment.
     
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    Good teachers use all their time wisely, and don't waste it with busy work to give themselves a break a few minutes before the bell. There is no sense giving students time to do homework, when instead you can do meaningful classwork in the same time. Your teachers are slackers, and you buy it, because it makes it easier for you.

    In European countries, 3-4 hrs of homework (not homework done during class) are routine for college prep students. They clean our clocks because of teachers who are wasting taxpayer money by giving kids time to do homework in class. Time is money.
     
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    Laws have to fit what the Constitution allows. The Constitution was designed as a limit on government. If the Constitution doesn't specifically authorize it, the Congress shouldn't pass a law.

    BTW, here is a link to the Constitution. It's a quick read, and everybody should read it through and through at least yearly.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/
     
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    What world (or state) do you live in?

    First, American teachers have less time for planning/meetings, etc. than do, for example, European teachers. They have about the longest amount of student contact time internationally. Most U.S. teachers teach 6 hrs a day. Most European schools don't even meet 6 hrs a day. In Germany, high schools finish the day at lunch. (Students spend the rest of their day studying, as if they don't do well, they have to go to a lower school). German teachers spend more time planning and the old saying goes, "Fail to plan, plan to fail." American teachers aren't given time to adequately plan.

    When was the last time you actually spent time in an American Public School? I've spent since 1992 either in a classroom as a teacher, or as a teacher's husband. Teachers are not spending too much time in staff meetings. They are teaching, and grading.
     
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    No, I'm from Nebraska. Our school usually gives us at least some time in class to do homework. They still give us way too much homework, though. Good teachers can teach all the material and give students enough time to finish their assignments in class.
     
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    3-4 hours of homework and 3-4 hours of sports? How are kids supposed to do that? They better be learning numbers theory and advanced nuclear physics if they have that much homework.
     
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    It's your own fault that you don't have time to plan anything. Schools in the U.S. take around 7 and a half hours to complete, so you can give them time to do homework. You can plan while they are doing their homework. I've spent a lot of time in public schools. They reteach the same things every year. Public education is for the average and poor students when it should be directed towards the smarter students. They are the ones who will actually accomplish something.
     
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    True: Some teachers are proficient in organizing and managing thier duties and can effectively produce and direct others to acheive tasks. Some might call this leadership. But sadly, most USA Public School employees are from a privilaged life, and beacme teachers or administrators in public school because they like being in the secure, safe, structured, atmosphere of a school environment. Most of these types have are stuck in a period childhood development where they succeeded well with immature behavior. As a result, they rely on those behavoirs to pull them through adulthood, and most have yet to develope into adults with adult skills. Because of their sheltered lives these privilaged ones may never experience what it is like working and functioning in the real world competition of employment and buisness. Hence, the failure of public schools in general. Not to mention the massive cost burden to keep these failing institutions bairly functioning.

    Throwing more tax money at the fail of public schools has never, and will never work. Public Schools hav become a bottomless pit for waisting tax money. Private schools is the only alternative.
     
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    The point is that systems that require their students to plan more, by giving them more planning time, kick our butts educationally. The old saying goes, "Fail to plan, plan to fail."

    That is a waste of student's time.


    Because they haven't taught it to mastery before, because instead of teaching to mastery, they are teaching just enough so that their students can have time to finish their homework.

    And they will accomplish regardless of what a teacher does.
     
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    And that is why American public schools aren't performing to our expectations. Considerations about extra-curriculars make more curriculum decisions than considerations about learning.

    Also, most European high schools are finished for the day by time for a late lunch--1 oclock or so. The teachers work at school for 8 hrs, but the students are only there for 5 hrs. No wasted time for lunch (nor having to worry about a school cafeteria).
     
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    And that is why teacher reteach every year. Students haven't mastered the basics, because teachers are rushing through the material to give students time for homework.
     
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    Your system makes sense then if school was only 5 hours, but because it is 8 hours, it makes no sense at all. Since school is 8 hours here, you should give time for students to do homework in class.
     
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    I "mastered" the basics in most things before they were even taught in school. It's a waste of time unless you are learning things like advanced nuclear physics. So all you do is sit in school and stare at a wall. There would be even more of that in your stupid plan where you can't work on homework in class.
     
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    Well, if your teachers weren't so obsessed with giving you time to do homework in class, they could be teaching much more. You are a poster child for what's wrong with the system. You complain nothing new is being taught, and yet, you defend the slackass teachers because they give you time to do homework in class. You can't have both. You can't want more, and defend those that aren't giving you more. I hope that you aren't in all AP/honors classes.
     
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    I've got a 4.0 and 31 on ACT. All I do in class when the teacher is talking is homework or staring at a wall because I already know the information. What about this is so hard to understand? What is the hardest class your high school taught?
     

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