Discussion in 'Conspiracy Theories' started by katsung47, Dec 8, 2013.
US is war criminal.
Iraq would have done the same thing.
I think people would have noticed a mushroom cloud.
It's just time for our biannual "Depleted Uranium - Nuked Iraq" thread to be reborn.
Although if you pay attention, this dates back to the 1990 Gulf War.
So apparently back in 1990-1991 we nuked Iraq, and it has been a secret for the last 23 years.
Of course, never mind the chemical weapons that Iraq had and used, no link to that of course. Nor all the chemicals spewed into the environment after he blew every oil well in Kuwait. Nor anything else at all possible. It is all the fault of the US because it nuked them.
And remember what I say about people "vetting their sources"? THis is a perfect example of why I say that.
So these are the "experts". Not a single one with any kind of medical training, and the last even was even shut down after trying to peddle a worthless mineral supplement to people in Japan claiming it would prevent sickness from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster.
And these are the "experts" that we are supposed to pay attention to and take seriously?
Sounds to me like Mr. Busby just wants to sell more worthless pills and test kits if you ask me.
I vote this gets kicked out of serious consideration, and gets kicked to the "Conspiracy Theory" section where it belongs.
I am quite sure that the DU rounds contribute to the rate of birth defects but so does, but so does the breakdown of sanitation and pollution controls.
Further, I want any former artillery officer who does not recognize the kinds of wounds that napalm or burning fuel oil would cause to shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up and go away. We do not need Uncle Fester Fetzer flapping his gums.
Napalm artillery? Sorry, this is not Command and Conquer we are talking about.
And yea, I am sure that DU can increase the rate of birth defects and other issues. But this has nothing to do with radiation. This is simply because it is a heavy metal, as is lead, arsenic, lithium, cadmium, mercury, nickel, zinc, and just about every other heavy metal.
Warfare causes cancer. Warfare causes birth defects. So it has always been. So it will always be.
And how the U.S. managed to keep ALL the neighboring Arab countries as well Russia and China quiet all these years.
I agree. But we didn't nuke Iraq.
Actually the WHO says that DU has the same amount of effects as everyday background radiation, I guess the sun is a weapon of mass destruction.
Plus many people refuse to see that DU and associated illnesses have nothing to do with radiation at all, but the simply fact it is a toxic heavy metal.
And as far as I am aware, there have been no actual studies into the most likely causes of these illnesses. Simply people seeing a spike and assuming it is something. It may be something as unconnected as industrial chemicals entering the water source further upstream and have not a single thing to do with DU at all.
Exactly, I suppose they want us to stop using lead bullets too, maybe go back to archers, pikemen, and heavy cavalry.
Exactly, correlation does not equal causation.
This guy has experience in the military. He starts talking about depleted uranium at the 3:30 time mark.
Scott Ritter: "THIS WILL WIPE OUT EVERYONE, PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA!" in Exclusive Interview
I read about this, around that time. This was the determination of an international body, like the Hague Court, or the U.N. World Health Organization; birth defects in Fallujah were similar to in Hiroshima, after the A-bomb, there. I think in Fallujah, though, the belief had been that it had been a "dirty bomb," that is, a conventional explosive, with radioactive material debris, possibly in the city's water supply. Recall, Fallujah was a more difficult city to subdue, where the opposition made a stand.
DU munitions cause the same problems as a dirty bomb. It seems likely that we could've used enough DU to leave behind similar radiological pollution as if we had used a nuke or a dirty bomb. If that's whats being claimed here, then sure.
If the claim is that we actually detonated an actual nuke in the Iraq war... I don't buy it. First off- why would we? Secondly- there's too many countries and organizations in the world that track such things for a nuclear detonation to be a secret.
I was wondering what kind of person even thinks about bumping a 10 year old thread with subject matter that has been posted dozens of times before, whist being copiously addressed!
The sheer volume of use by the US military is bound to have some negative consequence, but this does not alter that analysis made on its primary use. In a war zone, the major contributor to birth defects is the level of lead and mercury poisoning. This is the consequence of disintegration of ordinance, toxic chemicals from burn pits and a whole host of volatiles discarded and left.
If the government were to analyze the use of lead in bullets and pronounce it "safe" would that mean they are lying about all the other bullshit you propose? Multiply the use of that bullet by several million and distribute the disintegrated fragments into the agricultural chain and all of a sudden the safety of the bullet becomes extremely volatile. It is a war-zone and the point of war is to kill the enemy. Regardless of whether I agree with this disgusting event, your use of the report on DU as postured for use, to decide that the "evil government" lies in everything they do, particularly Covid-19, is actually one of the most idiotic and dishonest things you could do. Is it less safe to use lead in bullets?
Birth Defects and the Toxic Legacy of War in Iraq - MERIP
"Given the onslaught of military toxic dumping in Iraq, from spent bombs and bullets to base-making, burn pits and junkyards, it is no surprise that widespread cancers and congenital anomalies, along with other major health issues in the civilian population, abound."
"Another study found that newborns with birth defects carried a level of lead three times higher, and a level of mercury six times higher, than average children in Iran, who have traces of lead and mercury just slightly higher than in European countries. In the Iraqi village of Hawija, levels of magnesium and titanium in children with birth defects were nearly double the average of their counterparts in Iran, while alarmingly high levels of cadmium and arsenic were found in samples taken from children with symptoms resembling cerebral palsy. These metals can account for a large number of neurological problems and underdevelopment in fetuses by causing folate depletion and subsequent underdevelopment of vital tissues."
"Additionally, US bases in Iraq used burn pits to incinerate everything from computers to tires in large open-air pits that burned day and night for years. They released high levels of dioxin and innumerable other toxins that are known to cause health problems, from birth defects to neurological issues.
A US Air Force equipment manager tosses used uniform items into a burn pit at Balad Air Base, Iraq, 2008. Department of Defense photo by Senior Airman Julianne Showalter/US Air Force
Burn pits are also linked to US veteran illnesses and sit at the root of campaigns for veteran healthcare. For Iraqis living near burn pits, serious consequences for their long-term and intergenerational health continue to emerge. For example, some Iraqi babies born near Tallil Air Base were found to have neurological problems, congenital heart disease, paralyzed or missing limbs and elevated thorium in their bodies. The closer to the base, the higher their levels."
The closer to the base, the higher their levels. Fallujah:
https://phc.amedd.army.mil/PHC Resource Library/U_IRQ_Fallujah POEMS 2004-2011_Public Release.pdf
Camp Al Fallujah and vicinity, Iraq: 2004 to 2011
"Air quality: For inhalable fine particulate matter less than 2.5 micrometers in diameter (PM2.5), the overall long- term risk was ‘Low to Moderate.’ Inhalable coarse particulate matter less than 10 micrometers in diameter (PM10) was not evaluated for long-term risk due to no available health guidelines. However, the area was a dusty desert environment, and conditions may have varied. In addition, for burn pits, although the long-term risk for PM10 was not evaluated for long-term risk due to no available health guidelines and the risk for PM2.5 was not evaluated due to not enough air sampling data available to characterize risk, there were operating burn pits utilized at or around Camp Al Fallujah and vicinity, and conditions may have varied – see Section 10.7.
For inhalational exposure to high levels of dust, PM10 and PM2.5, such as during high winds or dust storms, and for exposure to burn pit smoke, it is considered possible that some otherwise healthy personnel who were exposed for a long-term period to dust and particulate matter could develop certain health conditions (e.g., reduced lung function, cardiopulmonary disease). Personnel with a history of asthma or cardiopulmonary disease could potentially be more likely to develop such chronic health conditions. While the dust and particulate matter exposures and exposures to burn pits are acknowledged, at this time there were no specific recommended, post-deployment medical surveillance evaluations or treatments. Providers should still consider overall individual health status (e.g., any underlying conditions/susceptibilities) and any potential unique individual exposures (such as burn pits/barrels, incinerators, occupational or specific personal dosimeter data) when assessing individual concerns. Certain individuals may need to be followed/evaluated for specific occupational exposures/injuries (e.g., annual audiograms as part of the medical surveillance for those enrolled in the Hearing Conservation Program; and personnel covered by Respiratory Protection Program and/or Hazardous Waste/Emergency Responders Medical Surveillance)."
Here's some more info on DU in case there are viewers and lurkers who still haven't seen it.
Why? I mean explain to these mystery people what your link to two inaccurate videos says, that is not addressed directly above!? Forget for the moment that you never do informed rebuttal, give it a try.
I'm just a layman so all I can say is that the people who speak in those videos make more sense than you do. The viewers can look at everything and decide for themselves.
Here's another scientist who I think makes more sense than you do.
Just stop there. You can add the tagline to it that tells everyone that you don't know jack, but
the problem is that you are far worse than any layman, you are not the least bit concerned about any evidence that doesn't fit in with your natural batshittery.
Well your useless credentials are already established so your judgement is hopelessly flawed and tending towards batshit.
Your spam catch-phrase, none of them ever agree with you unless they are fellow followers of batshit.
Explain why she is qualified, then using your never-yet-used "scientific method" explain why her ramblings make any sense. Oh, the viewers need this to help them decide. We both know you won't do any of that, let alone give any honest rebuttal to the large post above.
Seriously though, what manner of person goes hunting for a 10 year old thread, then dumps the same crap on it, posted a half dozen times before. Then, ignores all replies. Pathetic as always, every thread, every post.
So this so called scientist that "makes sense", highlighted on post 4 in this thread, 10 years ago!
All you did was put forward an alternative scenario. Now there are two scenarios. Just putting forth another scenario doesn't debunk the first one. You seem to have the idea that your having put your scenario forward has dubunked the other one.
Wikipedia is mainstream*. The mainstream media are known liars.
Bullshit, I put forward facts examined in great detail and you cowardly ignored the whole post!
There is one scenario and batshit nonsense.
Just dumping up a video without detailing its merits and scientific analysis doesn't qualify it as a scenario.
Once again, detail exactly what evidence you accept . You are lost in a world of batshit with every single item presented to you, in every single subject being dishonestly labelled as "mainstream".
Moronic strawman. I haven't used wikipedia and it is comprised of contributions from people who must use appropriate citations for any inclusions.
Moronic circular batshit reasoning. Explain why MERIP are " mainstream"!
You necro a 10 year old thread with crap posted numerous times elsewhere and do the same cowardly evasion with replies! What the hell are you even trying to do? It can't be to "educate" people because you are not doing that yourself, you keep imposing this utter crap about the "mainstream" and then use totally idiotic reasons to supposedly support it.
The entire world would have seen a ****ing nuke go off. Our allies, the UN, our enemies...everyone.
Sorta kinda related, there seems to be some evidence that comparing traditional film cameras to modern digital cameras while photographing explosions reveals that the heat from a nuclear blast will cause the digital camera to 'over pixilate' or whatever the most accurate description is. When filming a nuclear blast with a conventional camera that phenomenon does not happen.
Some claim that digital images taken of the battle of the Baghdad airport show that at least 1 nuclear explosion took place there, obviously some sort of tactical low yield weapon.
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