SCOTUS: Cops Can Now Stop and Search You WITHOUT a Warrant Based on “Anonymous Tips”

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sc...ant-based-anonymous-tips/#7ozAx4k5HmSI8eEm.99

    SCOTUS is further eroding our rights for trivial reasons. I do not see why a person's 4th Amendment rights should be suspended on the grounds of an anonymous tip.

    All bow down and worship the police!
     
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    I'm with Scalia on this one. Bad decision...
     
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    Horrible Decision..... who was the Liberal Judge that went over? Thomas, Kennedy, and Roberts should be ashamed!
     
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    Twenty years ago I would have agreed with you but now the whole country is so dangerous and lawless that I would support the cops acting on "tips" or even just intuition. We've got drive-by shootings, knockout games, robberies every day, home invasions, and nobody feels safe anymore. And everybody is just so damn mad at everybody else. It is not the country I grew up in and it is not the country I ever wanted to see become a reality. So bring on the police, bring on the drone patrols, and bring on cameras on every street corner. How else are we ever going to return America to any kind of real safety?
     
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    What planet are you living on?? Crime has been dropping for 30 years, and both violent crime in general and murder specifically are at all time lows. It's just technology has made access to information instant from everywhere, so you hear about things that happen that 20 years ago you would not have, but "so dangerous and lawless" is an illusion.
     
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    but the stockmarket and 401ks are doing great, because of the fed pumping it up and the global economy, that is all that matters to most..
     
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    It was Breyer, it's no surprise that Scalia was in the dissent though. When it comes to searches and seizures he tends to uphold privacy.

    But I agree with the dissent, an anonymous tip is not enough for there to be a "totality of the circumstances"that warrants a Terry stop.
     
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    Basically anyone can make up whatever they want and have the police arrest you or kick down your door in the middle of the night. This is what a police state looks like.

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    -Benjamin Franklin
     
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    I can see all the "anonymous" tips flooding in now. So a bad cop or Federal Law Enforcement officer has any number of friends make the call as he alerts them from his cell phone on the make/model of the "target vehicle". This is a loss of liberty and freedom... it's a horrible idea.
     
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    same here, so now cop calls 911, give anonymous tip, harasses American legally
     
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    they were all republicans nominees I believe
     
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    Breyer was appointed by Bill Clinton.
     
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    I am okay with it. There was enough particularized information to warrant the stop.
    Or make some burnt offerings or something. Just so you show some appreciation for them.
     
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    Maybe you have those problems in your community, we do not have them in my community. But so you might be safer, you are satisfied to take my rights away and subject me to a tyrranical system.

    If your community is in the sewer, don't blame me and make me pay for it.

    Maybe you should consider that your solution - more intrusive police, NSA, EPA, IRS, and a bullying govt - is a major cause of the problems you are worried about.

    Nationally, you are 8 to 29 times more likely to be murdered by police than by a terrorist.

    In the past 10 years, police have killed more innocent people than US soldiers killed in the Iraq war.

    And you want to give the police even more power.
     
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    for the ones who think this is not a good idea I have a question.

    If you had a car doing 100 mph up and down your residential street would you call the cops? If you saw a tow truck attempting to pull a bank ATM off it's foundation would you not call the cops? I have called the cops when I saw a car driving erratically. Whether the person driving it was drunk, stoned, or having a diabetic episode did not matter if that car caused a traffic crash which killed or maimed the driver or innocent others
     
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    I find this article incredibly misleading. the car wasn't searched because of an anonymous tip; it was pulled over because it matched a description from an anonymous tip--a tip that mentioned nothing about marijuana. It was searched because it smelled of marijuana. Police have always been able to act on anonymous tips, and they've always been able to search a car without a warrant if it smelled of marijuana.
     
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    You're twisting. Basically, that's not true. If your neighbor calls the cops on you and the cops come over, you do NOT have to let them in. You CAN demand a warrant to enter and search. If someone says you're driving erratically the cops can pull you over, but sans a warrant or your consent, they can't search your car for anything. Now, apparently, they don't need either.
     
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    I can only say that if I or a family member or even a random stranger were suffering from low blood sugar or drunkenness or out of their heads on some chemical high someone would call the cops before anyone was killed or injured

    but as someone already pointed out, the article leaves a lot out
     
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    Here's what concerns me. Anyone could, at any time, call in a "tip" that either is a flat out lie, or something very minor (possession of a small amount of marijuana, for example) and really cause problems for that person.
     
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    they could have easily done so a week, a month, or ten years ago and to my knowledge such incidents are extremely rare compared to legit calls
     
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    and if the cop catches them in the act... they are good.. unless you give your name

    well, that that way it's supposed to be...
     
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    sorry but can you explain what you mean in that post?
     
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    it means they should not be able to search without probably cause... and an anonymous call should not equal automatic bypass of warrant...
     
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    and if a cop does that... it's just a hand slap for the cop.... sadly
     

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