Sharia Versus the US Constitution

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  1. Pregnar Kraps

    Pregnar Kraps New Member Past Donor

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    There may be moderate Muslims but Islam is not moderate.

    The Goal of Islam is to make all of humanity submit to Shariah Law.

    "Every accommodation non-Muslims make for Muslims moves our culture, our beliefs, and our legal systems one step closer to Sharia law."
     
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    If you think any religion is one and only one particular interpretation, you're very ignorant on whatever religion you so characterize. Islam can be anything from totalitarianism to libertarainism - just like Christianity, Hinduism etc. Why? Because every man and his dog can "interpret" these creeds as they please and have done so throughout humanity's history.

    LOL Why should I care about that random quote?
     
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    That's not what I wrote, liar.
     
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    Pregnar Kraps New Member Past Donor

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    Your English isn't up to the rigors of posting here.

    I suggest you try posting elsewhere.

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    Really? When last was a majority Christian country invaded by a country with a majority Muslim population? How many coups have they sponsored in Christian nations? It seems that type of action is exclusively the other way and has been for centuries.
     
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    I agree with you....

    sharia and biblical law are not compatible with the US constitution, both believe in the ten commandments, most of which would not stand up to Constitutional standards

    keep the ten commandment out of our courts of law..... they have no place there

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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if you want to support laws keeping all religion from entering our courts and laws, I will support you, do not just target one religion, protect us from ALL religions and I will support you 100%

    saying lets target Sharia law first, then we will target Biblical law is nonsense, let's target all religions from the get go

    ""Vouchers can be used for Muslim Schools? OOPS!""

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/06/1106793/--Vouchers-can-be-used-for-Muslim-Schools-OOPS

    Christians are causing things like this to happen, Muslims are just joining the free ride on the taxpayers dime....

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    Let's see....
    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors property ...........stealing
    Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor ...........lying
    Thou shalt not commit murder ..........pretty self-explanatory
    ................sure, we don't need the Bible in law.........................then we can do whatever the (*)(*)(*)(*) we want...gotcha
     
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    yes, those are secular laws as well, now look at the ones you did not list and you will see why the Ten Commandment is not compatible with the US Constitution

    unless you think the Constitution supports blasphemy laws... laws against graven images, ect....

    Thou shalt have no other gods before me (unconstitutional)
    Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image (unconstitutional)
    Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain (unconstitutional)
    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy (unconstitutional)

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    so, we need to toss the whole damned thing out..riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
     
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    Sharia law contains the ten commandments too

    we do not need to include either, we include secular laws, not religious laws

    no reason to put the ten commandments in our court houses, that is not the law of the land......

    we toss out the ten commandments as a whole because it's not compatible with the Constitution

    we do not toss out secular laws because some religions agree with some of those laws

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    The strategy being used to invade America has been different.

    AIP Conference, Chicago Illinois, 1996

    Speaker - Abdulrahman Alamoudi, Executive Director of the American Muslim Council (AMC)

    "If we are outside this country we can say O Allah, destroy America, but once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it. There is no way for Muslims to be violent in America, no way. We have other means to do it. You can be violent anywhere else but in America."

    http://www.contenderministries.org/articles/islamconferencePF.php

    Written sometime in 1987 but not formally published until May 22, 1991, Akram's 18-page document listed the Brotherhood’s 29 likeminded "organizations of our friends" that shared the common goal of dismantling American institutions and turning the U.S. into a Muslim nation. These "friends" were identified by Akram and the Brotherhood as groups that could help convince Muslims "that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1235

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    well we know for a fact the religious fanatics that attacked us on 911 disagreed with him
     
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    Pregnar Kraps New Member Past Donor

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    Whatever rationale is used to save American culture, government and our way of life from islamic conquest works for me.

    But let's not allow our focus to be blunted by clever Muslims trying to use our laws against our own best interests.

    Whether we change the Constitution or find another way to do it is not as important as stopping the influx of Muslims and the increase of Muslim concentrations in America.

    Ever see this commercial?

    [video=youtube;kvJJDjkVwhM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvJJDjkVwhM[/video]

    Let's just make it happen.
     
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    They didn't get the memo.

    Seriously though, we all know there is no central Islamic authority like a Pope, for example.

    The fact is that terrorism and peaceful Jihad ACTUALLY WORKS TOGETHER for the advancement of Islamic conquest in America.

    Like Good Cop VS Bad Cop.

    Or Moderate Muslims VS Violent Muslims.

    When the violent Muslims generate enough fear in the host country the panicked people YEARN for someone who appears moderate to come in and help bring about calm and peace.

    A few short years after 9/11 an audacious plan was proposed by a bold Imam to erect a GIANT Mosque a couple blocks from Ground Zero in NYC.

    He looks and sounds and acts very calm and moderate. But the audcity of his proposal points out that Good Muslim VS Bad Muslim dynamic.

    The 19 Hijackers instilled fear in Americans with the 9/11 attacks and many of us were ready to open our arms to this so called Good Muslim's act of Jihad to help bring about Islam's goal of conquering America.

    Once they have been invited into the inner workings of the government and/or infrastructure they can call the shots and convince us that the things they are doing are to help keep the peace.

    More Muslims in government. More Halal food stores and concessions to Islam for the sake of peace. More Mosques. And etc.

    We almost had Duke University broadcasting prayer calls from it's campus bell tower.

    How and why did this happen?

    Because "moderate" Muslims convinced the silly, low information Liberals there that it would help IMPROVE inter religious relations.

    Pfft.

    You get the idea, I hope.
     
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    ah, so now that we have no idea what is right and wrong, we can do anything we damned well want. murder, mayhem, theft, raping pillaging......
    let me guess, a John Lennon fan?
     
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    did you actually read what I wrote?

    I said we keep secular laws, we do not embrace the ten commandments as it is unconstitutional as a whole....

    Thou shalt have no other gods before me (unconstitutional)
    Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image (unconstitutional)
    Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain (unconstitutional)
    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy (unconstitutional)

    we already have secular laws against Murder, Theft, ect.... no need for the ten commandments which includes the above

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    The Goal of Islam is to make all of humanity submit to Shariah Law.

    "Every accommodation non-Muslims make for Muslims moves our culture, our beliefs, and our legal systems one step closer to Sharia law."

    -- Bill Warner of Political Islam
     
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    any accommodations we make for the Christian religion helps the Muslim Religion too

    we already have the Muslim God on our Money and in our Pledge

    religious school Vouchers and Faith based initiatives apply to Muslims as well

    laws we make to protect us from ALL religions, protect us from Sharia law, Biblical law and any future religious laws that come along in the future

    we need strict laws of separation to keep Government out of Religion and Religion out of Government

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    WE could not have of the laws we have today that are with religious connotations. These other commandments you speak of are not laws for the masses, they are for the faithful. Far from perfect is Man. That being said, Islam is religious law. From start to finish. It is its own government and church, which they claim, combined is a State.
    I'd rather keep what we already have, review sentencing guidelines for non-violent crimes. Muslim law is absolute. What we have today is flexible.
    this one is interesting in and of itself. patent laws? counterfeit money?
    4th of July, Veteran's Day, MLK Day, Columbus Day......paid days off for a lot of people. All of these have their basis in nationalism. Federal employees are required to take those days off maybe not MLK Day, yep, Sabbath days for Government. Seems they have no problem remembering their Sabbath.
     
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    Islam cannot be separated from itself. It will be unable to "share space" with any form of belief structure based on Liberty, because it's core belief is total domination. Current history bears this as the truth.
    No religious school vouchers for any religion.
    scroll to top^^^^^
     
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    yes, the Ten Commandments are Christian laws, not United States laws

    if you want to follow them as a Christian have at it, but only our Secular laws are bound by law

    "Sabbath days for Government. Seems they have no problem remembering their Sabbath. "

    http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstatemyths/a/SundaysExceptedClause.htm

    "With Sundays excepted, a president can have up to nearly two full working weeks before he has to make a decision. This would have been important at the time the Constitution was written is because there were still so many places where Sabbath Laws were strictly enforced. One of the restricted activities was travel — so, if a president were outside the Capitol when Congress passed a bill, he could require at least an extra day just to get back. Because Sundays are exempted from the time allotted, Congress wasn't able to pull and fast one and get a law though without allowing the president enough time to consider it.

    In effect, then, the Sundays Excepted Clause was actually an attempt by the Constitution's authors to prevent politicians from using religion and religious practice in an underhanded way. "

    it has nothing to do with honoring the Sabbath .... nice try though, in biblical times people were stoned for picking up sticks on the weekend, we have moved past that.... and there is no law requiring people to honor the Sabbath

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    What country are YOU from?

    Madalyn Murray O'Hair beat you to it.

    You are a joke.

    :roflol:
     
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    your fear mongering would work except there are many Muslims Americans that fit in just fine with out way of life

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    yep, I agree, there should not be

    http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/history_of_the_separation_of_chu.htm

    "When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
    - Benjamin Franklin: in letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780"

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    I am from the USA, what country are you from?

    when your losing the argument, attack the poster, got it.... thanks for playing Pregnar Kraps.. lol

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    Anyone born and raised in America and with any sense already knows that there already is a separation of church and state and that atheists long ago wiped all vestiges of religion from our public life and society and government.

    You need some education on Islam, too.

    I just found this video and I'm learning A LOT about Islam that I didn't know.

    My motto might be: Never stop learning.

    Yours might be: Never START learning!

    :nana:

    [video=youtube;YjBDDC4wVxk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk[/video]
     

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