Should America honor all treaties with the Indian Nations?

Should America honor all treaties with the Indian Nations?

In doing so, it would cede a LOT of land back to the Indians.

Should we honor the treaties? Call them all null and void? Disband the indian nation all together?

 

Personally, I think we should honor all of the treaties we made. Pretty simple. Make a deal. Keep your word. Something everyone should live their lives by,

 

Since I don't know the origin of these treaties, and who exactly WE are, I'd say it's a more complex question than yes or no. Under the Constitution, all treaties ratified by the Senate become part of the law of the land like any other law. Those should be honored, but may need renegotiation (depending on factors that I can't name at the moment).

 

I thought the treaties became moot once the tribes settled with the government about reservations?

 

What about the reservations invalidated the treaties? And do how many tribes "settled with the government" for those reservations rather than being forced? I'm sure you can cite some cases where the tribes settled in court and agreed to be relocated.

 

Don't think.
Get facts.

 

We should honor as many as we possibly can within reason. What is done is done, and we cannot do things like displace millions of people and remove cities, but we can do our best to right the wrongs of our past.

I know that here in Maine in particular, the Wabanaki tribes are not sovereign, and do not receive many of the federal protections other tribes receive. It has been an ongoing legal battle that has lasted decades.

 

I can't for the life of me get where you thought I was writing that I "can cite some cases where the tribes settled in court and agreed to be relocated."

Heh, you are really off the reservation!

 

It's literally what you ****ing said, dude. I'm sorry you can't remember your own posts. "I thought the treaties became moot once the tribes settled with the government about reservations?" I'm glad you now realize how braindead this thing you had previously said is.

 

Don't know enough about them. Round them all up, ship the west and give them California and Oregon as their own country and you got my vote. Solves many problems at once.

 

You seem to be ranting like a crazy person. Which tracks since you've not brought any facts to this issue. The post that set you off was me asking a question.

The thread asked "should America honor all treaties with the Indian nations." Does that include the treaties that were superseded by other treaties? One assumes there was a final treaty with each tribe settling claims and rendering previous treaties moot.

That's what I was inquiring about.

But...I fully expect you to go on another rant, accuse me of saying things I didn't say, and then bringing no facts or new information to the table. That is your MO after all.

 

So you are now claiming that you were asking us what YOU think because you couldn't remember what you think? Weird pivot. Because a literate person would think that this last post was you telling us what you think. Do you have any more questions for us about what you think? And if you can't remember what you think and you are having to ask me, then that gives my permission to tell you what you think . . . and you are openly soliciting it.

 

A literate person would know what a question mark is and what it entails for what precedes it. Definitely my evaluation of you in my previous post was correct.

 

So if it's the land that your house is sitting on?

 

Clearly any person or organization that makes a land acknowledgment should surrender their property.

 

What about say.. not uproorting millions of people, but instead the indian nation allows them to stay, but only if they adhere to the laws of the indian nations?

( I should note that the indian nations are also required to follow all federal laws )

 

That is an interesting idea. Definitely something to think about, anyways.

 

I believe that some variation on Situation Ethics is strongly hinted at in the Messianic Jewish scriptures......

"And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace." [Mark 3:4}

I believe that the Scribes and Pharisees remained silent.... because they knew their own history quite well......

https://www.drbo.org/chapter/45002.htm


An overly simplistic response to this type of situation... could cause an all out Civil War between non-first nation Americans versus Americans with First Nations blood......

What Prime Minister Stephen Harper began toward the First Nations of Canada is a good beginning.... he at least apologized for what was done at the Residential Schools.....

An overly simplistic approach to this question has been taken in a few locations... and it was a disaster....... First Nations Tribes raised property taxes really high on many homes...... and this was not a good idea at all under those circumstances!

I personally believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus will honour all those treaties after Zechariah chapter fourteen is fulfilled....... but..... The Christian Political Cyrus.. .when he comes along.... will not ignore these treaties.... They are important somehow........

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-churchs-fault.612063/page-2#post-1074348491



The Christian Political Cyrus / The Audition and President Donald J. Trump.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's statement of apology
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I have a view that is in the middle on this issue.
I am in favor or rights and honoring promises, and national sovereignty, but it also seems that many of these treaties are kind of racist, favoring certain people because of their ethnic ancestry, and in many cases the native people will actually end up worse off if they gain the tribal independence they want, since the leaders are often corrupt and don't really care about their people. And some of the treaties would be difficult or impractical to enforce today.

 

So many treaties, so many tribes.......what a nightmare. So many have assimilated and become Americans.....it's about time. And, I am a native American. Never lived anywhere else!

 

I think Ben and Jerry has run into that!

 

A conquered and defeated people do not get to set terms and conditions.

 

It was not “unconditional surrender”, nor was there even war with many tribes. It was diplomacy between two peoples, that we then betrayed again and again. Maybe you enjoy being a dishonorable scumbag. I want my country to honor its word and treaties.

 

So if they do that and you find out that your house is built on Indian land and that you don't own that land you would make sure not to be a dishonorable scumbag and give it back right?

 

Ew.