Should Biden Quit His Run?

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Should Biden Drop Out?

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  2. No

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  1. JohnHamilton

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    If he hadn’t accepted the debate challenge from Trump, he wouldn’t be in trouble now. The Democrats, especially the progressive wing, are very happy with a senile president. He can be the empty front man while they enact their radical agenda. This is why AOC and Bernie Sanders are still supporting Biden.
     
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    In other words, if he didn't put his mental competence on display with a split screen between him and Trump, the Democrat establishment would still be supporting him. However, they can no longer lie about his mental competence, so they now want him replaced. His mental competence is the underlying issue.
     
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    I have waffled back and forth on this issue. The night of the debate I was convinced we needed someone else at the top of the ticket. In the days following, I relented. But I'm back on the 'step down' wagon, to be replaced by Harris. I have never been her biggest fan, but she seems to be on fire lately and I would very much like to see her take over the reigns.

    This, of course, goes against what the primary voters asserted - and that's an issue. What is also an issue is the open call for him to be replaced. By the media, politicians and others. At present - just over 3 months from the election - the Dem party is divided. Not a good look.
     
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    Yes, I beleive Biden should drop out. He is not up to the job, physically or mentally. I don't know who should take his place. I like Kamala, Gavin, and Adam Schiff. This is going to be very interesting.
     
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    I am on record saying Biden will drop out, but I expected it to happen in Jan-Feb timeline, but I was wrong about that. I always thought he was 1 termer by design, with only one task: to get Trump out of WH before it was too late.

    It sounds like he has it pretty mild.

    His age IS showing. Everyone can see that, and he should admit it himself, even if it's hard to do. We are all only humans and old age will get us all if we are lucky enough to make it that far.
     
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    For the good of the country I voted yes. Were I to do so strictly for partisan political reason I would vote no so that Trump could pounce him. We are in a dangerous place with our worst foreign adversaries seeing how frail and weak is our current President.
     
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    Presidents run for two terms. Why did you expect otherwise?
     
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    He’s more up to the job than Trump is. And those are the choices. The primary is over. Biden won twice.
     
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    Funny because he already beat Trump once. You want another L?
     
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    There are two questions:
    1. who is better for America: an elder man with poor memory or pathological liar?
    2. who has better chance to win: an elder man with poor memory or pathological liar?

    My answer to 1. - an elder man with poor memory.
    My answer to 2. - no idea.
     
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    Joe Biden is not in his right mind. I'm sure looking at video clips of his time in civil service if he ever was in his right ming but 14 million voters selected Joe to be their president for 4 more years. The only way to remove Biden is through the 25th Amendment which on his VP, staff and cabinet members can initiate. Joe has made it clear he is running and Harris stands by him. Here is the real dilemma for the Democratic Party. If Biden is removed via 25th Amendment Harris must be his replacement or black women and men will not vote in this election. Black women not voting is a no brainer. Black men will not vote for Harris because Harris is married to a white man. Black men see this as a betrayal of their race not to mention the prejudice attitude towards white men as perpetrated by legacy media and the Democratic Party. Democrats have cooked their own goose. They painted themselves into a corner.
     
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    You bet. Run Biden please. But that is least of the Democrats' concerns isn't it? They are unable to focus on Trump as the in house finger pointing and blame game heats up.
     
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    Yeah, well, that's just your opinion man. Hahaha.... Seriously though, you might consider fact checking your opinion. There are sources ya know that are easily available and for possibly the last time in US history still legit. I suggest the GAO and US treasury websites. Who for example was in charge during covid handing out $600/wk free money for 'Merikins to chill out at the crib? I particularly enjoy the hypocrisy demonstrated by Trump supporters that post here who've scored a living their entire life with US Treasury paychecks and think this is the guy with his neo-christo-fascist cult of personality party that he's twisted the feckless Rs into. Rs love Russia now! HF.
     
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    That is a formula for corrupt success. Corrupt the people. But the Soviet Union fell as at some point, the rank and file realized the government couldn't really make good on their promises (than and the elites normal forms of living in splendor through corruption began to fall thru even for them).
    MAGA is starting to make the argument: Biden is saying Republicans want to get rid of Social Security and Medicare. But Trump is countering, "how can you feel that you will safely and securely get these benefits when Biden et. al. are importing your replacements and spending an unsustainable fortune on them? It has been a Communist plan to bankrupt/capsize the US social safety net since at least the 1960s. And rank and file Americans, I hope, are beginning to see it. The Left is now well underway making this happen. Loved that NYT piece the read we need to "reform" Social Security as "Americans need to feel the pain in Ukraine" and we'll need the SS$ redirected to Ukraine to keep the great money draining hoax over there going for as long as possible.
     
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    Well, what do you recommend, Gorfias?

    Frankie Roosevelt started Social Security almost 90 years ago! By now it is thoroughly 'baked' into every working American's financial life, starting with the fact that all of us (except for a variety of government workers) must pay into this system or be found guilty of tax-evasion crimes! Social Security is, in the majority of cases, an EARNED benefit... and now you'd want to simply take it away from people who spent all their working lives paying into it? Lots of luck to you and any political faction who tries that today.... :psychoitc:

    [​IMG]."Cool! Let's just get rid of Social Security!"
     
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    I am not sure if "Republicans do throw money around carelessly, but on nowhere near the scale that Democrats" and I am too lazy to find the correct information, but let mi think: how do you know if some party throws money which they around carelessly?

    Lets look on deficit which each party created. I am not sure if this is true, but this is what I found:
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/
    "Reagan took the deficit from $70 billion to $175 billion. Bush 41 took it to $300 billion. Clinton got it to zero. Bush 43 took it from zero to $1.2 trillion. Obama halved it to $600 billion. Trump’s got it back to a trillion."

    chatGPT has a little different numbers, but agree with the trend:
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    You make valid, mathematically-accurate points, but the overriding consideration should be, 'What did they spend the money ON...?' Was the expenditure necessary, given the situation of that time? Did the expenditure produce the desired overall result, or was it mostly wasted, or stolen? Example: in the case of Ronald Reagan's spending to build up American military strength after the Vietnam debacle, it had the result of bankrupting our primary opponent, the Soviet Union, and causing it to implode!

    But it's true that both 'Pubs and 'Crats have a lot of 'dirty laundry', but for the past ninety years, 'Crats have been especially notorious for throwing vast sums down all the growing number of welfare and subsidy ratholes.
     
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    Your chart is ridiculously false to the point where it doesn't even pass the sniff test. A basic understanding of our deficit would know that your chart is highly inflated to falsely portray Trump's administration with propagandized numbers. Trump didn't have an "average" annual deficit above $3T. There was a large deficit in fiscal years 2020-2021 due largely to covid overspending of roughly that amount, but prior to that, his deficits were lower. Here's an actual reputable source is linked below.

    Additionally, the presidnt has the power to veto legislation, but spending is more closely tied to who controls Congress.

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    I wanted an option for “That’s up to Biden”
     
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    They should run Gabbard/Clooney.
     
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    I agree – in order to evaluate how party or politician spend tax payers money we need a lot of information, budget deficit is only one criterion.

    I am also aware that each politician is facing a real problem, what is better for him/her – to accept donations from rich people and to use these money to convince the average voter that they represent him and not the rich donators or to trust the average voter intelligence who will know who represent him. Judging by the US prices of medicines, representing Big Pharma is more profitable than representing an average Joe.

    I think generally Republicans prefer represent rich elites while Democrats prefer represent working and not working people.
     
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    this has aged really well
     
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    Well. Never underestimate the Democrats' ability to screw things up.
     
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