Should Christians/churches really be giving money to fight gay marriage?

Jesus said to give your money to the poor. He said to treat people with kindness and give to them, regardless of whether or not they partake in certain sins that you've cherry picked as being unacceptable. He never said give money to causes that keep other people from having the same rights as you. Millions of dollars have been spent by Christians; millions of hours have been spent by Christians - all to keep people from having the same rights as you. Just think of how all of that time and money could have been used to do what Jesus ACTUALLY told you to do. What say you? How can you defend this?

 

apparently they can't

 

You probably find a surprising number of Christians agree with you

 

No. Churches shouldn't. I could be wrong---but I believe a church will lose exempt tax position if a church starts contributing to political causes. I believe churches should give to charity, missions and upkeep for the church.

 

Oh. I see you have Christians highlighted as well as churches. Of course Christians are not to be disenfranchised from our political system. We are citizens after all. Changing our laws to accomodate a behavior---a choice---is something we all should be involved in.

 

And what about when churches encourage their congregations to give to anti-gay causes?

How is allowing gay people to have the same rights disenfranchising Christians? And should individual Christians really be spending time and money on this, given the fact that Jesus never said to do any such thing, but said to give your wealth to the poor?

 

I don't think they should. Church is a place to worship God. I do know that some churches do encourge political advocacy. Liberal and conservative churches. Liberal churches that focus on social causes are the worst in my opinion when it comes to polical causes. But my church had a pastor for a short time that started advocating certain candidates---and that didn't go over very well with the congregation. Its not the place.

Gay marriage is a government policy. You are involved. I'm involved. Its a beautiful thing to participate right?. Jesus said that putting others first should be our goal--to care and have compassion for others. He never said to give all our money to the poor and that we shouldn't vote our conscious. FYI...he also said the poor will always be with us, and that God's plan should always take precedence.

 

What's beautiful about using the law to keep gay people from having the same rights as others?

Actually:

Matthew 19:21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." 23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


So again, he said to sell everything and give it to the poor. If he wanted you to use the government and your money to keep people from having equal rights, I'm pretty sure he would have mentioned it. Everything Jesus said would lead an honest person to conclude that he wanted you to focus your time on helping others and giving your money to them, not oppressing people and blowing your money on achieving that task. If Christians were actually doing this because they thought god wanted them to enforce Biblical principles, they would be also outlawing divorce, but what a surprise, they aren't trying to do any such thing. Maybe because lots of Christians enjoy being able to get divorced. Quite pretending this is a mission from god. That's BS.

 

Jesus never gave anyone a penny. He might not be the best example to follow regarding charity.

 

Churches are basically small family businesses. They are intended to give the primary operator an income and status in the community.

 

I'm torn. To some extent, I want them to contribute to political causes so that they lose their exempt tax position, but that has to be weighed against the money actually being used.

 

Christians should give their money to helping the under privledged, and to spreading the gospel, and however that looks.

Gay marriage should be legal, and the churches (corporately) shouldn't be involved, however if and when it comes to a vote, the universal church should vote their conscience.

 

Actually you misunderstand the Bible and Jesus---and Jesus was talking to someone who couldn't put God first because of material things. You missed part of the story and meaning.

 

They have the same rights already. Gay people can marry people of the opposite sex, straight people can't marry people of the same sex. So the rights are equal.

 

People should always stand up for what they believe in. Even if socially conditioned people who watch too much television do not understand their views and want to mislabel them as trying to deny people equal rights.

 

There will be many Christian churches that perform such ceremonies gladly.

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You are, of course, referring to Faux watching Christians that think they are being persecuted by allowing gays the right to marry, right?

 

What's stopping a gay person from marrying someone of the opposite sex? Since when are straight people ever allowed to marry someone of the same sex?

It's not an equal rights issue, it's about the creation of a new right - therefore the 14th Amendment does not apply. By trying to have the federal govt get involved in the gay marriage issue, the left is violating states' rights and the original intent of the Constitution.

 

I hate this ridiculous argument. They don't have the same rights because they can't marry the person they're attracted to. Stop with this absurd, pathetic argument in semantics. It's avoiding the issue because you have no substance to your argument. You failed to even answer the question but wanted to distract from it. You failed to tell me why this is a priority for Christians.

And what Christians claim to believe in is Christ, who never said to do any such thing with the government, but DID say to focus on helping and giving to others. Your statement is not based on anything Biblical whatsoever.

 

Fortunately the country is evolving past you.
You're going to lose this one.

 

Then pedophiles have a 'right' to view child porn on the basis of what they're attracted to?

There are people who are not Christians who don't support gay marriage, so what's your point?

The Secular Case Against Gay Marriage
http://tech.mit.edu/V124/N5/kolasinski.5c.html

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So then feel free to debunk my thread about how this sets a precedents for pedophiles having a Constitutional right to possess child porn. If a person's rights are determined by who/what they're attracted to then this is the type of can of worms you open:

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ndment-give-pedos-right-watch-child-porn.html

 

So people who believe in slavery and genocide should try to convince other people that their beliefs are the right ones. OK.

 

Wtf does one thing have to do with the other? We're talking about grown adults marrying people they're attracted to. What kind of crazy tangent are you on?

My point is pretty straight forward. I don't how to break it down for you any further.

Not consenting adults. Next?

You still haven't addressed my actually question in the OP, which means, you know you have no Biblical reason to fight gay marriage. Unless you actually want to get on topic and admit that, I'm done with you in my thread. You've already given me your answer by avoiding the question.

 

Notice I didn't say "marry children" - I said a right to possess and view child porn (but not produce it). So no children are being harmed directly from a pedophile viewing child porn - therefore if a pedophile claims to be attracted to kids, how can you deny them their 14th Amendment rights to view child porn?

Well my religious views don't matter, because I have plenty of non-Biblical arguments against gay marriage, in fact I don't recall ever tossing out a "Biblical" argument against gay marriage.

The left wants to pretend that anyone who doesn't support gay marriage only does so because of the "Bible" but that's really a bunch of bunk and I think they know that.

 

Irrelevant nonsense.

You're right, you didn't use a Biblical argument against gay marriage, so what are you, as a Christian, doing spending your time focusing on something that has no Biblical basis? What are you, as a Christian, doing fighting gay marriage when Jesus never said to do any such thing, but rather, send to spend your time and money helping the poor, not going after one particular group of "sinners" whose marriages harm no one?

 

How is it cherry picking if homosexual acts are condemned in both the old and new testaments?