Should Palestinians Really Stay In Their Cage And Die?

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  1. Mitty

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    And the Palestinians have lived there for hundreds of years before the Zionists started taking over their land after WWII, just like Joshua and his murdering thieves did about 3200 years ago when they also committed genocide.
     
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    Sorry no. There have been Jews in the area longer than there have been Palestinians, and those Palestinians are ethnically arab by the way.
     
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    Just as contemporary Jewish folk are primarily European.
     
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    Not nearly all of them and thank the Romans for transplanting them. Though they did get nearly all of them.
     
  5. Esau

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    Actually yes, nearly all of them, apart from the Ethiopian Jews and some Sephardi of African descent.
     
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    Unless you can show that the Palestinian civilians have both the opportunity and means to move out of Gaza, the OP is a rather cruel and poorly thought out straw man.

    Should you really stay in your cage just because the door is locked and you have no way out?
     
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    They don't have the opportuninty not because of Israel but because Muslim countries don't want them either.
     
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    Please note Judaism is a religion not an ethnic group. From it came both Islam and Christianity. The problem is not ethnic it is religious pretending ethnicity is the problem is pointless and idiotic. That's why the left keeps getting it wrong.
     
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    So? That's not in these people's control. There are Palestinians there (including many children) with no connection to Hamas, who don't support Hamas, and who have no opportunity or means to leave Gaza.
    They didn't simply decide to stay. The cage door isn't open for them. They are locked in with no way out.
     
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    And why should that give Hamas a life line so that we come back to the same place again 2 or 3 years from now? It is indeed awful that Hamas will sacrifice Palestinian children in what should be a vain attempt to delay the outcome of a war they start with literally no hope of winning But it is the result of Hamas' actions not those of israel.
     
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    This is irrelevant to the OP's straw man question.
     
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    I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking the lineal descendants of the ISRAELITES, whom are what we call "black" today. Those are the real Jews, the Ethiopian, the lemba and the so called African American.
     
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    Religions do not have lineal or any other kind of descedants they have converts. Ethnic groups do. A real Jew is anyone who practices Judaism.
     
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    But that isn't the point of the question which is why neither Jordan nor Egypt will give them Respite and why is it Isreal's fault that they won't?
     
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    I don't know the OP's motive, for the question, but the question asks why don't Palestinians leave, as I'd it's their choice. They do not control Egypt or Jordan. It isn't their choice.
     
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    You didn't read what iWrote, did you, here: I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking the lineal descendants of the ISRAELITES,

    A convert is Jewish, a lineal descendant is a Jew.
     
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    West Bank Palestinians should accept that the Jewish state has a right to exist behind secure borders, finalize the boundaries of the disputed territory on the West Bank and get on with Statehood.

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    Gazans should surrender and turn over their hostages and terrorists.

    How much of the pro-Palestinian rhetoric is just anti-Semitism?

    Rutgers, Rampant Anti-Semitism, and the Democrats. “‘Globalize the intifada’ means that no Jew should ever be able to live in safety, anywhere in the world.”

    “Many liberals try to distance themselves from these pro-Hamas thugs, some of whom are Middle Easterners who never should have been let into the country. But the fact is that the anti-Semitic violence we are now seeing is of a piece with what liberals often do, when they can get away with it. The Democratic Party has been a party of violence for a long time. The current anti-Semitic variation is right at home in today’s Democratic Party.”
     
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    IOW the Palestinians are Semites. But what evidence do you have that the Palestinians weren't there before the Jews arrived about 3200 years ago when Joshua and his band of murdering thieves butchered all the women and children in Jericho & Ai & Hebron etc and stole their land. And Jericho is over 10,000 years old and predates Judaism.
     
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    How on Earth can "pro-Palestinian rhetoric" be "anti-Semitism" given that the Palestinians are Semites too. The correct term is anti-Zionism.
     
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    No, they should release all the hostages, renounce Hamas, recognise Israel and enjoy peace, democracy and prosperity!
     
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    Have you never seen a time frame map that shows the truth about who has been stealing land from whom?

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    No, you can't explain why Nazi armed and trained Zionist terrorist gangs(1) (now "IDF") and foreign Jews are entitled to commit genocide and evict Palestine's native residents from land on which they have lived for generations.

    Any educated individual who has actually spent time in and around Palestinian refugee camps can see no difference between the stories related by Nakba survivors and Holocaust survivors except that Nakba survivors have not received $ Billions in reparations, daily Hollywood hype and a global glut of grisly Holocaust theme parks.

    I spent 10 - 11 months walking and hitch-hiking throughout the Middle East and the Nakba survivors with whom I spoke in Southern Lebanon related stories that are little different from those of Holocaust survivors except that they are still enduring the longest and most brutal foreign funded genocide in modern history.

    In spite of a blatantly pro Israel MSM bias,(2) most Americans(3) and ethical Jews around the world(4) condemn Netanyahu's genocidal agenda (4).

    Perhaps if you had actually spent time in the Middle East talking to the people of both sides you would less likely to be deceived by brainwashed victims of pro Israel MSM and Netanyahu's army of paid, trained and scripted Hasbara propagandists.

    Thanks,








    (1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

    EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

    Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

    In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


    19. Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp. 253-254.; Max Nussbaum, "Zionism Under Hitler," Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp. 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175.

    20. H. Höhne, The Order of the Death's Head (Ballantine, pb., 1984), pp. 380-382.; K. Schleunes, Twisted Road (1970, 1990), p. 226.; Secret internal SS intelligence report about F. Polkes, June 17, 1937, in: John Mendelsohn, ed., The Holocaust (New York: Garland, 1982), vol. 5, pp. 62-64.

    21. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 63-64, 105, 219-220.

    22. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), p. 160.


    (2). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

    EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

    Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with,..." CONTINUED


    (3). "Israel faces growing U.S. ire on war in Gaza"
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...el-gaza-war-poll-americans-opposed-rcna145418

    EXCERPT "Sheline's decision to follow suit came as a Gallup poll released Wednesday found that growing numbers of Americans now oppose Israel’s military action in Gaza, an apparent shift in U.S. views.

    The poll, conducted from March 1 to March 20, found that 55% of respondents said they disapprove of Israel's actions in Gaza, compared with 45% who expressed disapproval in November.

    The share of those in favor of Israel's actions fell from 50% in November to 36% in March, while the percentage of those who said they had no stance rose from 4% to 9%." CONTINUED


    (4). “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
    http://www.ijan.org/uncategorized/jews-against-genocide-statement-and-action/

    EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

    We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED
     
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    You mean the crazies that were burning their own children on Bronze altars? Sort of like the Palestinians did to jewish babies 10/7 Nope not possible. In fact the reason for the Babylonian captivity was because not only did the Jews not exterminate the murders of small children root an branch the intermarried with and became them. The Rump of the Canaanites were slaughtered or carried away into captivity by the Assyrrians shortly before 700BC.
     
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    '“Demonization, delegitimization, and double standards” are the rhetorical devices currently used in various platforms to justify alienating Jews from their indigenous homeland.'

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    'abrogation or ‘replacement’ of Jewish history and identity with that of other peoples is a foremost means to undermine Jewish claims to self-determination in Israel. Fallacious anachronisms such as “The site of Al-Haram Ash-Sharif (the Dome of the Rock) was always of Muslim heritage” are typical and meant to contradict long-standing evidence of Jewish presence, like the First and Second Temples in Jerusalem.'

    'Anti-Zionists strangely employ appropriation of the Jewish legacy, in order to refute our legitimate autonomy, i.e. most famously, “Jesus was an Arab Palestinian” and other jingoistic fantasies.'

    'deletion of core parts of Jewishness sabotage understandings of Jewish collectivity and thus our rights to sovereignty, such as “Jews are solely a religious group, not an ethnicity” or “Jews first came to Palestine in the nineteenth century”.'

    'discrimination. Yep, just plain singling out Israel for condemnation, destruction, or boycott, etc., like we regularly see at the UN.'

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    Anti-Semitism is Anti-Zionism. Not buying the figleaf.

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/8-reasons-why-anti-zionism-is-always-anti-semitism/

    Read the whole thing.
     
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    So you want the Palestinians to stay there and die rather than find sanctuary until the Hamas war is over. It’s “their” land so even if genocide happens it’s cool with you. Got it, thanks for the clarification!
     
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    Which again is horse crap. If you practice Judaism you are a Jew, it goes with the territory
     

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