Should Palestinians Really Stay In Their Cage And Die?

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  1. Esau

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    You're confusing religion with ethnicity. Judaism is a religion that anybody and his MoMA can follow and become JewISH. A Jew, or Israelite is an ethnic identity, an Afro/Asiatic heritage and is not faith based but rather a lineal descent from the biblical Hebrew, of which, Ashkenazi are not a part of but they were indeed grafted in, as the Torah stated.
     
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    Uh not exactly no. The Jews instead of exterminating the original canaanites in fact intermarried with them and for all practical purposes By the time of the Babylonian Captivity the two groups were all but indistinguishable. Note Assyria shortly before 700 BC carried off the ten northern tribes and most of the remaining Canaanites, at least those they didn't kill out right and settled them in them near the head waters of the Tigris and Euphrates what happen to them since is largely myth and legend when we have that much to go on. The remaining Jews failing to take the hint were later taken to Babylon the intelligentsia or fled to Ethiopia never to return in the mid to late fifth century BC. That split them into two groups ethnically That part of the Jews carried off to Babylon became intermixed with Aryan which by the way isn't blonde haired and blue eyed among other things Adolph got wrong and the people that came back under Cyrus the Persian were by now heavily mixed race mainly Caucasian. Please understand that what is in the middle east now and for ever is a hodge podge of assorted races and ethnicities. It was from ancient times a meeting place of trade routes from all over. That did not change when the Turks from western China's Sinkiang province conquered most of the Arab Empire and eventually set up Housekeeping in Istanbul. Trying assign a specific racial type to anyone from that part of the world is largely a fool's errand.
     
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    the tribe of Judah, whom the Jews are named after are a mix of ethiopian and west African. All other Jewish folk, from Europe, aka Ashkenazi, were grafted in for a specific purpose in the future, foreseen by the kemetic priests. That future is what we call today's reality.
     
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    None of that changes the fact that Palestinian-Arabs are Semites, and that most Semites are not Jews, and that not all Jews are Semites anyway.
    Therefore the term "anti-Semitism" is just an oxymoron since a Palestinian or Arab can't be an anti-Semite.
     
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    None of that changes the fact that Palestinian-Arabs are Semites, and that most Semites are not Jews, and that not all Jews are Semites anyway.
    Therefore the term "anti-Semitism" is just an oxymoron since a Palestinian or Arab can't be an anti-Semite.
     
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    Just like Abraham was commanded to do with his son as a sacrificial meal for his god, even though the god subsequently ate an old ram instead.

    And when Joshua and his murdering thieves butchered all the women and children in Jericho & Ai & Hebron etc, did they eat them or just feed them to their dogs and pigs?
     
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    The Palestinians chose to live with Hamas for many years. Remember that. Now if they die with Hamas, they have brought it on their own heads. But the fact is that this is NOT a problem caused by the United States and we should not be tasked with fixing it either. Let Israel and the radical Islamic terrorist groups and their supporters fight it out to the death, and leave the United States out of it!
     
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    Nonsense. Pure ahistorical nonsense without even a hint of grounding in History. Completely ignoring the well attested Babylonian Captivity, the fact that what you Ashkenazi were the ones deported from Israel by the Romans c. 70AD as noted by the Romans and others at the time. Those were removed to Europe not Africa/
     
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    Brother you don't get anything right do you? Well first Jewish law prevents them from eating or owning pigs. So the pigs would have been owned by the murderous inhabitants whose bloody minded and misogynist religion caused them to be sentence to death after repeated warning over more than a hundred years did not bring them to repentance. Note there were six cities out of well over a hundred that the Jews actually destroyed. They rebuilt Jericho within fifty years of it's destruction as well as the others in spite of being told not which is why the traces of the Hebrew destruction of Jordan is undetectable.
     
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    IOW, unlike the Palestinians the Jews are not indigenous to Israel.
     
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    So why did Joshua and his murdering thieves butcher all the women and children and steal their land? And is that why the Zionists are doing the same now?
    And presumably Abraham etal owned and ate pigs since those dietary laws didn't apply to them.
     
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    Many nations lived for thousand years in the same place, until something happened. In happened in Americas, in Australia, in east Germany, in India, Pakistan and more - what happened to Palestinians in not unique in human history.
    What makes Palestinians unique - they are not ready yo compromise like American Indians, Germans after WWII, India, Pakistan and some other nations did.
    What make their situation even worse - today many progressive convinced Palestinians that Jewish lives depends of context - so even when Hamas chapter wants to replace Western democratic Israel with Muslim califate with Shariya Law it sound for many progressives as 'very progressive idea'.
     
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    Esau - as usual you sound like a great expert on Judaism and Ashkenazim Jews, but what happened to you - you skipped very important word you constantly use - WHITE Ashkenazi? What happened? This guy did it?

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    So why didn't the United Nations continue with the two state solution after 1947 instead of just kowtowing to the Zionists?
     
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    Your WWII analogy was atrocious. Neither French nor British were facing genocide. Obviously, since the French were conquered and didn’t get sent to the concentration camps en masse.

    You know who was? The people you mysteriously left out of your analogy. The Jews.

    So an accurate (and honest) analogy would have been to ask me: “would you prefer the Jews to have been sent to America instead of remain to be killed by Nazis?”

    …To which my answer would be hell yeah.


    End of the day, you think Palestinians are having genocide be committed on them and you’d rather they get slaughtered than have your worthless plan A not be implemented. That’s pretty harsh bro! Maybe you should care about saving lives first and not have their saving be predicated only upon your favorite terms?


    Talk about twisted Fin logic. So yeah, if the Palestinians ever get the brains to start knocking on Egypts door, your answer to that would be “Egypt! Shoot to kill please! No one leaves, I haven’t gotten my way yet!”

    LOL thanks again for the clarification!
     
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    No, they should realize supporting Hamas is a deadly choice
     
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    Learn history!
    UN declared division of Palestine on Jewish and Arab parts - Jews accepted UN resolution but Arabs rejected and attacked Israel: Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and local Palestinians attacked Israel. Jews expelled some Arabs from conquered territories, Arabs expelled ALL Jews from conquered territories. In total: about 700 thousands Palestinians were expelled or run away. About 900 thousands Jews were expelled/run away from Arab countries:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

    After Israel was created, territories which supposed to be Palestinian state were occupied by Jordan and Egypt until 1967. After Israel in 6 days war conquered this territories it offered territories for peace. The answer was
    The Three Noes of Khartoum: no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.

    When Rabin, Barack and Olmert tried to reach two state solution and offered more than 90% territories, Hamas started to send to Israel suicide bombers to stop negotiation:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
    Hamas succeeded - it convinced Israelis that Palestinians don’t want peace, but anyway Palestinian Authority refused to the offer.
    And on Oct 7 Hamas decided that shooting missiles on Israel is not enough and attacked Israel murdering, raping and kidnapping Israelis - and Israel responded.
    Did Hamas think they made mistake on Oct 7?


    And how Palestinians reacted on Oct 7 massacre?
    https://twitter.com/jewishmcjewface/status/1769118916616315341/video/1
     
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    There weren't likely many children left to kill in any of those six when you're burning babies to call down your fake god's wrath on your enemies by the time seven days pass there probably aren't many if any left. How long should God tolerate a society so depraved it murders it's own children
     
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    So why do the Zionists oppose a two independent countries' solution and choose to commit genocide on the Palestinians instead?
     
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    What evidence do you have that the murdering Joshua and his thieving thugs didn't butcher all the women and children and the unborn in order to steal their land? And have you ever seen a god like Abraham did when they shared a non kosher meal together and had a face to face discussion about the number of righteous children in Gomorrah before the god walked down to count them (Gen 18:1-23). If not, then how do you know that Joshua was commanded by a god to butcher all the pregnant women? And is that why the Zionists are committing genocide on the Palestinians?
     
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    iDont believe or subscribe to
    White supremacist lies. Jesus was not an Ashkenazi lmao and the biblical Jews were not white.
     
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    That is correct. Ashkenazi, are not ethnically semitic. They are part of the Caucasian race. Semites are Afro/Asiatic. A very tiny minority of Ashkenazi maybe related to semites, the ones with a jewfro.
     
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    You're entirely right in that Arabs are a Semitic people as were the Canaanites and several other Levantine civilizations:

    EXCERPT "The Canaanites were Semites, with origins which lay in the Arabian Desert. Semitic-speakers formed a sub-group of the Afro-Asiatic language family which includes Hebrew (Israelites), Aramaic (Aramaeans), Arabic (Arabs), and Amharic (Ethiopians). They made their first appearance in the second half of the fourth millennium BC, migrating outwards into Egypt and Mesopotamia. A large number also entered the Levant where they blended into the existing - and already multi-racial - Neolithic populations of the various small cities of the time, most notably Jericho, where archaeology has backed up this arrival." CONTINUED (1)

    Regrettably, we most frequently hear the epithet "anti Semite" from frustrated Hasbara trolls and others who are unable to refute criticism of Zionist crimes and atrocities through rational, factual rhetoric.

    Former Israeli Education Minister, Shulamit Aloni calls this type of deliberate misuse of the term "The Trick":

    EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

    And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED (2)

    Jewish musician and writer, Gilad Atzmon writes that:

    "An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews;

    nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.” (3)

    There is no question that genuine anti Jewish sentiment exists but more frequently, today, the term "anti Semite" is most frequently used to evade refuting justified criticism of Jewish / Israeli crimes and / or, as simple slander which Socrates reminds us is: "...the tool of the loser." (4)


    Thanks,



    (1). "Near East Kingdoms"
    https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsMiddEast/CanaanSemites.htm
    Ancient Levantine States


    (2). “Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick’”
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm


    (3). " Gilad Atzmon, Jewish musician and author, 2011"

    https://quotefancy.com/quote/169287...eone-who-hates-Jews-nowadays-an-antisemite-is


    (4). "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates
     
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    You are either pretending to be obtuse or you haven't understood a word I've written.

    What part of planned Zionist "Settlements" in Gaza are you unable to grasp?

    Are you really so oblivious to Levantine history that you think that Gaza's native residents will ever be allowed back into Gaza if they surrender even more of their small amount of remaining land to genocidal Zionist miscreants?

    You act as if the only solution to genocidal Zionist aggression is more appeasement when a simple time frame map shows the fallacy of appeasing foreign Zionist land thieves:

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    Re:
    If you cared in the least about saving lives, you would join the rest of the world, Jews and non Jews, in condemning Netanyahu's genocidal agenda and cutting all aid to Israeli aggressors.

    It's long past time for America to crate up its glut of Holocaust theme parks and dump them on the Knesset steps where their "lessons" are most needed.


    "The genocide in Gaza is one of the worst in modern history"
    https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/the-genocide-in-gaza-is-one-of-the-worst-in-modern-history/

    EXCERPT "Regardless of the final political, military, and demographic outcomes of the genocidal war waged by Israel on the Gaza Strip, Gaza will go down in history as the place that witnessed the largest number of massacres in history carried out almost entirely against civilians and through aerial bombardment." CONTINUED


     
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    White supremacy has nothing to do with that. Other than those born with albinism no one is white, we are all varying shades of tan from blackish to pinkish. And what I gave you is the actual history. Persian and Babylonian stock are Aryan yes. And yes they have a very good tan. Thats what happens when you stick some one in an area in which you get about 330 plus days of sunshine a year, I don't know what racist ass hat has been lying to you but you should get away from him or her because He/she isn't doing you any favors.
     

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