Should the US Supreme Court end race-based affirmative action in university admissions?

it was being discussed on an analysis of the oral argument on Monday.

 

I only read the one link in this thread, about an annoyed Alito. Doesn’t mention it.

 

you are confusing about that the justices discussed versus what the commentators on the satellite news show were discussing.

 

I don’t listen much to talking heads. If you have something to share other than you heard it from a friend, than I’m not going to comment further.

 

wasn't a friend, it was a prominent national commentator on political issues.

do you deny that there is a big gap between white and black SAT scores? if no, then you are being contrarian. If yes, then I will quickly educate you

 

So you have no actual proof that kids with low SAT scores are getting into Harvard.

 

playing ignorant is really lame. that has been established by dozens of posts and it has been constantly discussed concerning this case

 

https://nypost.com/2018/10/17/harvards-gatekeeper-reveals-sat-cutoff-scores-based-on-race/

He said Harvard sends recruitment letters to African-American, Native American and Hispanic high schoolers with mid-range SAT scores, around 1100 on math and verbal combined out of a possible 1600, CNN reported.

Asian-Americans only receive a recruitment letter if they score at least 250 points higher — 1350 for women, and 1380 for men.

 

Harvard admits that 45% of black and Hispanic admissions race is the determinative factor that got them admitted.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1252046/download

Additionally, Harvard sends recruitment letters to black, Hispanic and Native Americans who score about an 1100 on the SATs. Asian men must have a 1380 to be recruited. Asian women need a 1350 to be recruited. Asians must score 200 points higher to be recruited by Harvard.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/harvard-affirmative-action-opening-arguments/index.html

It's gotten to the point where admission specialists are advising Asian Americans to not inform Harvard of their race when applying and to change the spelling of their name to appear less Asian.

 

when I applied to the top law schools, it was even worse with some. a white man with a 3.7 and a 750 had less than one in 9 chances of getting into Yale Law school but a black with a 3.5 and a 680 was well over better than even chances of acceptance.

 

I'm fairly sure that many, if not all, of the individuals on the low end of the white academic decile spectrum for admissions are legacy-donating families. You can still be dumb and white and still get into Harvard, your family just needs to be rich/powerful or donate to them. The hardest part about Harvard is getting in. Grade inflation takes over the rest.

 

grade inflation at Harvard is a joke. When I graduated Yale, about 40% of the class was cum laude or better. Harvard it was over 70%. the legacies at Yale, btw had higher scores on average than the other students but some were pretty low. but the top student each year, in the four years I was an undergraduate there, was a legacy, three earned Rhodes scholarships and the guy in my class-was seventh generation Yale, needed 36 three hour classes to graduate-graduated with 45 As IIRC

 

Thanks for the links. I read in the brief it says Harvard gets public funds. WHY? That makes no sense to me.

 

Legacy admissions should disqualify the school from public funding. Racist admissions should too.

 

If the Supreme Court reverses its position then universities will have to transition to being 100% privately funded in order to continue affirmative action. Maybe the eight Ivy League schools could do it but not state schools.

 

Race based admissions even hurts those it wishes to help. People wind up in schools they struggle in when they could excel at another school. It messes up their lives.

 

Not always.

 

The supreme Court should end all official races of whether you call it affirmative action or not. It is a violation of the 14th amendment.

 

We don't see it that way is not a valid arguement

 

That's awesome that when you were proven wrong you immediately pivoted.

 

I hope you are not using this as an actual defense to affirmative selection based on race.

 

I don't think affirmative action hurt Obama. But he probably could have been successful without it.

 

Good. Affirmative action is incredibly racist

 

"The conservative majority likes the role of 'originalists,' claiming allegiance to the concepts of the founders, fastening rulings to 'history and tradition,' as the court did, notably, in expanding gun rights last term. The trouble is that the majority’s application of the past has been selective. The justices and their clerks are not historians, no matter how much they pretend to be....

"The Reconstruction Congress did not view the [14th] amendment as colorblind. To the contrary, lawmakers saw race-conscious policies as necessary to deliver a broad assurance of equality....

"The Southern Homestead Act allowed Blacks to have land in preference to those from Europe and elsewhere.

"The historians and legal scholars stress that these and other policies are all race-conscious, and hardly reflect 'an unbending vision of colorblindness.' "
https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-wrong-reverse-course-104728838.html

Are the actions Congress took to help blacks in the aftermath of the Civil War relevant?

 

there have been dozens of studies of what is called mismatching.