Should we ban assault weapons?

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Should we ban assault weapons?

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I support punishing criminals who have "assault weapons"

    you support laws that ban honest citizens from having assault "weapons"

    thus you cannot honestly claim I want criminals to have weapons, rather the best you can do is claim I am unwilling to support your schemes that you CLAIM will prevent criminals from getting weapons why also denying honest people those weapons

    you on the other hand, are on record wanting to ban HONEST people from having the best weapons available for self defense. SO while you can only insinuate I want criminals to have weapons, I can state, without any contradiction, you are on record wanting to disarm honest people
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    by wanting to do away with background checks, the logical conclusion based on the clear results of such an action, is that you want all persons in the USA to have easy access to all types of guns. This includes convicts, escaped prisoners, bail-jumpers, folks wanted for murder.

    why would u want such a thing?
     
  3. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Of course he did. You need to read more, post less.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/omar-mateen-...lice-academy-was-accused-stalker-high-2383642

    http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Div...ms/G-License-Classroom-and-Range-Requirements

    He had the background check to be both a police officer and a security guard with a gun. He had a lot of training in firearms--40 hrs plus. He was legally allowed to carry a gun as part of his job. Not quite police officer, but a lot more than an average citizen. He also had a mental health screening. Pretty much everything that any liberal would require to own a gun, he went through. Just shows that you can't predict future behavior.

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    I can't decide when to face criminals either. It's up to the criminals....
     
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    :roflol:
    I love it when the anti-gun side shows off its ignorance.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what do u think a magazine limit means?
     
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    :yawn:
    You people bore me.
    'Assault weapons' are suitable for any of the traditionally legal uses someone might have for a gun.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It means when you attack a college with a .22 and a 9mm handgun with 10 round mags, you can still kill 33 people.
     
  8. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes civilians need to blow someone's brains out. It's why we have the right to bear arms--for self defense. An AR is one of the top home defense weapons, IMHO. Best is a high capacity semi-automatic pistol, second is a 12-gauge pump, third is an AR. Depending on your surroundings, those three can change positions on the list.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Reagan didn't have that view until he was suffering from dementia.
     
  10. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you are diverting and evading again. why do you want to ban honest people from having the most effective self defense weapons. This is not about background checks. This is not about "easy access for criminals"

    This is about your desire to prevent honest people from having the best tools to fight off attacks

    why is that Ron?
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why do you want to make it easier for criminals to get guns?
     
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    For the simple purpose that known criminals are not being punished for possession of a firearm, despite their actions being a felony. The laws are not being enforced but rather ignored. They are serving no purpose, and thus have no justification for even existing.

    Numerous criminals have admitted that they can easily acquire a firearm within months of getting out of prison, either from a family member or an acquaintance they trust. This means background checks are useless, as they are easily subverted, outright ignored, and almost no one ever faces consequences for doing such.
     
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    In the united states, the law is clear that an individual is able to use deadly force in response to someone attempting to do the same against them, or putting them at risk of great bodily harm. It is legal to kill an attacker to protect yourself or another from harm. Therefore using a firearm to kill an attacker, even shooting them in the head, is perfectly legal.
     
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    Actually, banning guns makes it easier for criminals to get them, because the underground market would grow, and they could purchase any weapon they wanted without any kind of background check or any "controls" at all. Use your logic and common sense.
     
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    Twenty five mass shootings in the state of California last year, each with firearms and magazines obtained within the state, and subject to the law of the state.
     
  16. Turtledude

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    its an alleged byproduct of having a free society if we believe your claims. (we Don't) however, you are on record as directly and completely banning honest people from having certain firearms because you want criminals to have an advantage in gun fights. so at worst, we refuse to harm good citizens even if it means its a little easier for criminals to obtain weapons (though they still are looking at a nickel or more in federal prison if they are caught) while you are not even pretending your proposals harm citizens in a COLLATERAL FASHION since your main objective is handicapping honest Americans

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    everything Ron proposes is based on a desire to make it easier for criminals to harm honest citizens. and you are 100% correct
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and yet you want it to be much easier for criminals to access guns, by ending background checks.

    is that due to owning lots of shares in Sturm Ruger? Bushmaster? Colt? Glock?

    gots to have those dividends go up, ay?
     
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    I guess you don't quite get it but its people like you demanding gun bans and the politicians you support screaming for gun bans is what really sells guns.

    Nothing sells guns like hysterical anti gun sheeple bleating about guns and their masters in office trying to pander to them by calling for bans.

    Obama is the best gun salesman in US history, what the male member of the clinton crime family a close second. His wife might well eclipse both of them though
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there will be no new AW ban any time soon. there aren't enough votes in the House or Senate.

    the NRA and other hoplophiliac groups just spew fear of such nonsense in order to drive up gun sales so that Sturm Ruger, Colt, Bushmaster, Beretta, Glock, have better dividends.
     
  20. Turtledude

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    if the gun haters didn't scream for a gun ban everytime non-black citizens were killed by some nutcase, there would be no spike in sales. Its people who engage in pavlovian gun bans who sell guns. The face of gun bans is at the state level in states run by the Democrat party
     
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    I wish someone, anyone, would define want an assault weapon is. I am a retired US Marine and Vietnam vet and I have no idea what that item might be.
     
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    its anything gun banners can get away with demonizing. The walther rim fire 22 caliber target pistol used in the obscure (in the USA) rapid fire ISSF event was banned as an assault weapon in california.
     
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    One of the best examples is the streetsweeper, the most non-lethal shotgun ever.
     
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    yeah, that and the south african original version the Stryker. IF those suckers were any good, 3G competitors would use them. My son runs a Remington versa max 10 round gun in the tactical class with Tac Ltd with Carbon arms shell carriers and he can shoot 3X as many rounds as someone can out of that silly SS since the loading on those things takes forever.
     
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    Yeah any shotgun you have to wind like a clock....and unloading it is even worse lol.
     

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