Sick of All the "Snowflake Culture Metoo" Bandwagoning that isn't Actually Sexual Abuse

Whether it's some 40 year old accusations, which btw should be instantly and utterly discounted as time-barred, or this latest Al Franken (whom I hate) "abuse," tired of the snowflakery.

We live in a world where people flirt and people touch each other, people aggressively hit on and pursue each other. In a rational culture, the degrees of "abuse" are readily graspable by any adult and most children. Tired of "abuse" that equates to "annoying" in the way the guy behind you at a sporting event with the airhorn is annoying being made a crime of. You won't like the society that results from that. I already don't.

There are a FEW real instances of sexual abuse and sexual harassment, blessedly so, this latest abuse hysteria detracts and devalues real victims and their experiences. This latest political mongering and perpetual "offendedness victimhood metooism" used as mostly identity politics political fodder has gotten out of hand.

People who wait for years or decades to "metoo" when it was some harmless over the top flirting are worse than their "abusers" IMO. If you get harassed or molested, REPORT IT OR TELL SOMEONE THEN, not years down the road.

As an average to somewhat above average man in appearance, I have been "ass-patted," kissed involuntarily, "package swiped" hundreds of times in my life. IT'S NO BIG DEAL. The double standard is obnoxious in a world where women are supposedly equal (they aren't if they are perpetual victim-children in need of constant protection while grabbing your ass on a whim with 0 repercussions). If people can't take a little slap and tickle in the mating game, they shouldn't be playing it, and should just stay at home in their safe space.

Thoughts?

 

They weren't playing "the mating game". Often these activities were out of context and unwelcome.

Sick of 32 yo men chasing 14 yos? Really?

Otherwise, if it was just an isolated episode, I tend to agree that not too much should be made of it unless it was violent, forceful, or if there is a pattern of predatory behavior, as with Weinstein.

30+ yo men chasing teenagers? And I mean barely even a teenager? That is a child. That is criminal. Would you leave a young girl alone with Moore for a week? I sure as hell wouldn't!

 

Not surprised at the straw man, or that you ignore the time-barred claim to beat the victimology horse on the Moore issue. You're you after all.

You can't say, nor can I or anyone WHAT game was being played in an uncorroborated 40 year old incident.

And no, it's not "criminal" because we have a presumption of innocence in this country and ancient claims do not suffice as evidence against that, don't in court, shouldn't in any average thinking adult's mind generally. Also, the Moore hysteria is falling apart with gaping holes and is being revealed for the cheap political stunt that it is.

 

You are creating a strawman by saying I am creating a strawman LOL! What strawman?

Grown men don't chase teenyboppers.

Oh lord, I didn't say he was proven guilty. I said 32 yo men chasing and fondling 14 yos is criminal. And nothing is falling apart. They now have six women and over 32 sources.

You are trying to justify child molesting like so many rightes. This has all be soooooo revealing! Even I wouldn't have imagined that the dark underbelly of the rw is that dark, or that broad.

 

A "teeny bopper?" Is that archaic cowflop how journolist or Media Matters or the rest of your LW sewer pipe has instructed you to slant "pubescent teenager nearly 50 years ago when people dated and married younger?" FAIL.

You straw-manned by trying to make my OP post all about Moore... it wasn't. That a kid with 8th grade comprehension could puzzle that out from the OP and you can't isn't at all surprising.

And yeah, the Moore narrative is falling apart. Present a current "victim" within the SOL or be exposed for the political faux outrage poseur you are. Anyone who voted for rape apologist HRC needs to shut up on any and all faux sexual abuse outrage.

 

My initial response was generic. They weren't playing the mating game. Often the behavior is in a professional context. That isn't dating. It is called work. Ever heard of it?

Otherwise I was simply referencing what is in the news since you're whining about it. Why do you mention it? Why do you defend Moore when you have no freaking idea AND there is ample evidence to suggest he was stalking teenagers.

He was banned from a mall! Have you ever been banned from a mall for chasing children? I hope not!

 

Remember folks, ALWAYS have a written record of ANY discussion attempted with a leftist. You tried to make the OP all about Moore in print and failed.

There is 0 credible evidence of any wrongdoing whatsoever by Moore, none of "stalking teenagers," none of any specific sexual abuse, the "banned from the mall" BS is debunked. And you have it backwards, the presumption before credible evidence, in court and in rational adult land, is INNOCENCE, not guilt.

 

Franken grabbed the woman's head and stuck his tongue in her mouth. Maybe that wouldn't bother you if someone did it to your wife but I'd kick his ****ing ass.

 

If Moore did something criminal why were charges never pressed?

 

Thing is, like most of these instances, we aren't hearing both sides, because any attempt to defend oneself is seen as "blaming the victim," another crappy aspect of this latest moral panic. The woman in the Franken case should have KNOWN what was coming when there was a kiss scene written into the USO script, and should have simply said "NO." Problem averted.

Moreover, I find her version of the narrative sketchy. In her words, she was just some innocent little girl, not entertainment on a USO tour, not exactly known for couth. We will never know the whole banter that went on, but not buying her version at all. This is likely why slimeball Franken, whom I despise on other grounds, is asking to be investigated, so he can tell his side under oath without being kangaroo courted as a "rape apologist" or "victim blamer."

 

She wasn't a soldier and the kiss wasn't on stage and I repeat if she was my wife Frankin would have got his ass kicked

 

I edited the soldier part, and you aren't addressing that as a "big girl" in an "equal" world, with exactly -0- career consequences at stake, she could have easily said NO to the kiss scene and put an end to it right then and there. She admitted that she agreed to rehearse it, and didn't like the outcome. She fell for the same obvious kind of trick that millions of women and men fall for in bars across the country "wink wink nudge nudge" and is now crying victim. Transparent.

"Here let's pretend we're in a movie and doing a kiss scene we need to rehearse."
"Good luck with that."
"Oh, cmon, we have to rehearse the scene!"
"OK."
...
"WAAAAAAAA he really kissed me before I could turn my head... Abuse! Abuse!"

or

"I wrote a kiss scene into the script, let's rehearse it!"
"NO, I'm not doing any kiss scene."
"Cmon it will be fun!"
"NO. The end."

One is how adult agents behave, the other is a little child in need of protection, not anything near "equality."

 

Agree, except I don't blame the women for coming forward. Im sure the money is good and it's the second oldest profession.

Now whats really entertaining are 'anything goes -- if it feels good, do it' libs playing moral police. Thats a scream.

 

From what I understand, she has already accepted his apology.

I do think, if this happened at his job now, as opposed to comedian, it would be quite different. He'd be a goner for sure.

Overall, I believe the point of the MeToo thing is that people have to respect boundaries and it's a wake up call in general to be respectful...

but flirting in a bar or normal games that people play is a whole different ballgame than say, an adult dating teens or someone using their power to force people into situations at their job etc etc.

 

There are and remain behaviours that are truly unacceptable

Grabbing someone by the ***** is one of them

 

There's a line in the sand with this stuff. And 99.9% of males know which side of that line they're on, in relation to any given female they happen to be lusting after.

Here's how this female describes the line ... just so it's clear:

If you are 100% confident that you are in the woman's league (age and looks wise), AND you're 100% certain that she is flirting with you, or at the very least interested, you can get away with a great deal of 'inappropriate' behaviour. A surprisingly amount, really.

If those two conditions are not met ... and I mean with absolute certainty ... you should never, repeat ... NEVER, attempt to have even a vaguely flirtatious conversation, much less anything else.

 

Agreed with the first part, you lost me on the above. A famous dating site survey, OK Cupid IIRC, of thousands of members had men and women rate the other members in looks. The men found 50% of the women average or above in looks. The women found only 20% of the men average or above in looks. Telling. We live in a culture where men are expected to be the pursuer, "don't ask, don't get," and there is no "certainty" in mating/dating any more than there is in any other area of life. As a man, where sex is concerned, you are either the tiger or the rug, and lots of the most successful pickup artists are not particularly attractive. They just know how to get women in the mood and play the little flirting games that lots of women respond to favorably. Being in shape, accomplished and experienced in talking to women goes a long way at any male age.

 

Well, that's shorthand towards political currency. I don't doubt that Trump has had thousands of women come on to him over the years, and when they initiate the touching, it's fair game to grab them anywhere you want to grab them as long as they are in your space with their hands on you, putting their face in yours, their tits on you, and not just dancing or some other casual touching. If they don't like the escalation, they are free to disengage at any time. His statement, despite not being PC, is a truism where womens' sexual response is concerned. Took me decades to learn this from experience, that they don't want a gentleman when they don't want a gentleman, and I'm not even wealthy or famous. Lots of them get POd when you don't as a matter of fact, then go off and start spreading rumors that you are gay when you don't respond the way they want. There are two sides to every story and every behavior.

 

Yes! YES and YES!

Now they are going after Sylvester Stallone,
http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/whose-next-jaccuse-sex.519171/
while Alec Baldwin remains on the protected list.

Stop Trial By Media!



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So make sure you're in the top 20%, via fitness and character. Both are options anyone can take. Next, make sure you're aiming at your level or below, not above. Good looking women don't respond well to advances from 'inferior' men (looks and age). They regard it as an insult.

And I hate to break it to ya, all the 'charm' in the world won't replace the primitive female drive to mate with physically fit and good looking men. Charm does go a long way, for sure, but if the package in which it's contained isn't at least modestly aligned, it won't work. A fat smoker with soft hands could be the funniest man on earth, but his appearance tells the female he's not going to be a good long term provider. You're dealing with very fundamental, cave stuff.

 

Women generally could care squat doodly about "character," (ask any convict, pimp, drug dealer or abuser), and all the ugly old band members, angsty, low body mass hipsters, rich ugly dudes and even the most minor celebrities who end up picking from good looking women counter the "inferior" men comment. Studies show that women respond most to height, facial structure, and a sense of the man being "above" them in some way, in wealth, intellect, charisma, accomplishment. But that's just a starting point. It's really all about getting them wet and feeling, took me a long time to learn that.

Women are indeed in the catbird seat in gynoculture today because 50% of them have become fat and repulsive... or even worse, feminists, leaving the other 50% of nonfat women their choice of many average and better men.

But this isn't a dating and sex getting thread actually, so won't derail my thread further into that, if you want to benefit from my vast experience with women, start a thread in one of the casual subforums, let me know and I'll gladly enlighten you as to what it takes to get women regularly. Unless you are gay or bi, you simply don't know, and even if you are it's not the same as hetero mating technique. I hate to break it to ya, but you are assuming your personal preferences are general and they aren't. Specifically, there's an adage in the pickup community, of which I am not a member, "Alpha fux beta bux," that describes perfectly the variance in female mating cycles/patterns and it bears out.

 

Thanks for your useless opinion but there are plenty of internet contrarians out there saying the same thing and their opinions are just as useless. I seriously came to the "Political Opinions and Beliefs" forum expecting to find a thread like this, because they are so predicable.

There are plenty of good reasons why a victim of sex abuse would not come forward for years. As if people really want that attention. No woman wants to be known as that woman who was raped. Seriously man your opinion is so dumb it should be "instantly and utterly discounted." This may be the dumbest thing I've read all week.

Okay. Now this is the dumbest thing I've read all week.

 

And the right, who claimed to be the "moral police" apparently are a bunch of hypocrites. Why are you afraid of an investigation? are you afraid that the truth might come out that the @$$ Franken might have done what he was accused of?

 

Obviously, it is beyond ludicrous to equate "patting on the butt" with forcible rape.

Way too much PC Run Amok in the #metoo movement.

 

Gawd, another manboy pity party.

I think I'll pass.

The sickbag.