Single payer is a death sentence for seniors

Never ever gonna happen. There are always going to be laws/rules and regulations coming from gov't about how healthcare is run.

 

Not an accurate comparison considering most of the people on Medicaid are elderly with much higher than average health care needs.

 

Poster mentioned medicaid which is for the poor while medicare is for the elderly, but they could have misstated. Idk. Even so, I'm not sure where those numbers are coming from so...

 

Possibly - but individual health plans also have higher deductibles, so it makes sense that they would be less expensive for the Insurance companies than for the government.

 

True, while medicaid has a deductible of 0 (currently a requirement) since it's not really insurance.

 

So? What does that have to do with Belch wanting to eliminate Medicare?

 

But mine is not taxed based none the less

 

We're talking about extending a tax based system to everyone and taking someone else's labor for your benefit

 

Not sure what world you live in but in the one I live, the tax based system is already extended to every citizen. What the hell are you talking about?

 

Tax base funded healthcare system is extended to everyone? Do tell

 

Not true try again. Only 11% are 65 or older. Most are children.
As of March 2017, there were 74 million Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) enrollees, of which nearly 36 million were enrolled in CHIP or were children enrolled in Medicaid, according to the Center for Medicaid and CHIP Services.2

 

You don’t have to keep letting me know you have no answer. I knew from the start you had nothing. I mean, if you want to keep confirming you have nothing I guess that’s your prerogative.

 

Sure they are. Your employer is subsidizing your insurance by paying for part of your health insurance. As are the other employees.

 

So you're comparing the costs of a program which includes $0 deductible to insurance programs that have $500 - $5,000 - $10,000 deductibles, and you're wondering why one might be more expensive to run?

 

I am my employer and employees that get this negotiate benefits as part of their compensation

 

Who cares. It still needs to be paid, out of pocket or with taxes. It is something that is not going into your savings or purchase of something else.
What difference does it make? Just the pot of who collects.

 

Taxes are already extended to everyone. Single payer does not necessarily have to raise your taxes... We already all pay taxes. It's a government system that COULD be funded by income taxes, or not. How it's publicly funded is kind of a separate issue. Taxes are just the easiest way of going about it. Do you get it now? Probably not.

 

Why gang up on Belch? You want to do the same thing. Or are you delusional enough to think you can put 330 million into a program designed for 40 million and not destroy it.

 

As happens today. You and I pay for those who can't or don't. Our labor goes to pay their health care costs. Unless you somehow think the providers aren't getting the money from us and give the care for free to those who don't pay.

 

Gang up on him?
He stated he wants to end Medicare. I merely asked what he would like for his parents or grandparents to have for health insurance.
No for profit pvt insurance is going to be able to provide it at affordable prices. To the highest risk group.

And yes, I think we can put 330 mil people into the system that has 40 mil and not destroy it. But make it better and less expensive than the options we have today.

 

You are so limited in your thinking. Why not design a system that works for everyone. Medicaid for everyone else. Seniors can keep the medicare they already have except any premium + deductible they pay for the basic plan is removed. Once any person reaches 65 they automatically get placed under the medicare system and anything they paid into it; they get the benefits for. No one is saying medicare would stay exactly as it is now but be magically stretched to everyone. Only you are and that is why you are continuously saying nothing.

 

Hahahaha....how do you plan on saving if you rent all your life? In my case I’ll be able to stop paying a mortgage every month in six years whereas you will have to continue paying someone else’s rent every month for the rest of your life. So, while I’ll be going on trips because of the money my wife and I will be saving you’ll still be eating TV dinners watching wheel of fortune every night.

 

Uh huh....

 

I am also comparing programs where employers pay a good portion of the premium to a program that is totally funded by the taxpayer. That is also a system where over 30% of primary care doctors refuse to accept Medicaid participants.

 

Any doctor who refuses to accept medicaid if we had a universal system would be a pretty stupid doctor.

There would be no requirement for employers to offer health insurance if everyone got universal coverage. What's your point?