Small government, Big heart

Discussion in 'Political Science' started by yangforward, May 3, 2023.

  1. Chrizton

    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    IDK. Children from unstable households were not the quiet ones in my experience. If a family is getting evicted every six months, then that may be due to the bad habits of the parent(s)---namely not paying any rent.
     
  2. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I liked the idea of order and that the Roman Empire brought benefits to it's member states.
    The Senate and People of Rome was also appealing, that the two might be in some kind of harmony.
    We could also learn from the problem every empire eventually has of over-reaching and projecting
    it's power too far and of running up debts and neglecting it's civilians.
     
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    until all our products were outsourced from overseas, that money was often spent local, now online shopping has made it worse
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you haven't caught the lectures by Mary Beard on YouTube, do it, she chronicles the history of Rome, in very interesting ways, often giving us a picture of every day life, not just that of the history makers, but going right to the artifacts in Rome, and elsewhere. Utterly fascinating. She's also British. The sound and cadence of an English accent discussing Roman History works really well.
     
  5. Collateral Damage

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    There is a reasonable compromise, but to bring back manufacturing to this country, we all will have to accept we will be paying more for things. And, those that yell the loudest, seem to forget that.

    But it doesn't change applying yourself in lieu of throwing money at a problem or need. Give of yourself, to help.
     
  6. FreshAir

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    agree, but now it's like taking our hand out of Pandora's Box... it's gonna hurt
     
  7. Collateral Damage

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    Yes it will. No fix is without it's problems.

    And it still isn't a fix for taking care of our communities. More now that ever, personal involvement is and will be needed.
     
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    exactly, wages will have to go up to match the price increase, it would be a tough transition, but worth it in the long run

    raise corp taxes 20% and give any corp that doesn't outsource a 20% tax cut
     
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    It makes more sense to just cut spending and balance the budget. Let's solve the problem now rather than leave it for our grandcildren to deal with.
     
  10. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we can never pay off the debt if wages do not go up and the rich don't start paying the same percent per dollar they earn as the middle class does

    my grandparents made 50 cents an hour, wages will always need to increase with time, if it doesn't, it's game over
     
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    mswan Well-Known Member

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    What is the average income tax rate of the top 1% of taxpayers? What is the average for the bottom half of taxpayers?
     
  12. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    every dollar they earn, not just labored income, all income

    we saw Trump's tax returns

    but yes, the right will be quick to defend the rich... not so fast to defend the working class
     
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    And you just proved my point: you made it about money, not personal involvement. Do you think handing a homeless person $5 fixes their problem?
     
  14. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do you think a homeless person that works 40 hours a week is the future we want to see, raise the min wage
     
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    And do you believe that raising the minimum wage, based on the facts of who actually makes minimum wage, is going to be beneficial to a homeless person?
     
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    i think there will be more homeless people if we do not raise it to match inflation over time
     
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    Do you know the actual numbers of who makes 'minimum wage'? The demographics? If you did, you would know the 'minimum wage' doesn't have much of an effect on 'homelessness'.
     
  18. yangforward

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    In a zero sum game the way to increase owner and top executive pay is to decrease worker pay
    and the way to do that is to get workers all over the world to compete against each other
    ideally resulting in a 'race to the bottom'.

    For example Bill Clinton's NAFTA resulted in Mexican farmers becoming uneconomic due to US corn prices
    and US car workers being terminated as the car factories were moved to Mexico where the factory
    workers and cheap healthcare, cost a lot less than the workers and benefits in the US.

    In general trade deals are bad for the working class.
     
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    Our government is spending our futures into oblivion. Taxes aren't going down and new taxes are constantly being created. Success is being punished with over taxation. I started out at minimum wage in 1983, but I never got a job from a poor man. I haven't made minimum wage in almost 40 years and raised 3 kids on a single income. I EARNED a larger income and I negotiated that income by demonstrating my work ethic and gaining experience.

    I was able to do this by avoiding huge personal mistakes. I avoided criminal records, drugs, and having kids before I could afford them. People want the freedoms, but won't accept the responsibilities that come with them.
     
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    so why are the right so against raising it then?
     
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    In my experience raising the minimum wage wasn't the answer to the problem.

    When my pay rate was raised, I asked to remain on the existing rate but was refused.

    So I lost my medical cover and had to leave, I had said that would happen.

    The problem I experienced in that part of the pay scale was not income but expenditure

    from the crazy mixed-up medical care system.

    The younger people were OK because they usually don't need any medical care,
    my problem it turned out was hereditary, and hits sometime after the age of 50.
     
  22. FreshAir

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    disagree, the min wage has been raised many times, as of late though not so much, and it's showing , society is hurting for it

    but yes, the qualifications of those programs also needs to rise with inflation too

    I have known people that had to turn down raises due to some programs, they could not afford the raise

    I also think we need universal health coverage
     
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    Raising MW has an upward ripple.... which does cause inflation. You raise wages without additional production, prices will rise. The ones that get crunched are those on fixed incomes, or trying to retire. And it has been proven several times over, the low wage group are impacted harder when prices rise.

    So I don't know about you, but i would like to see retirement some day.
     
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    raising inflation has outpaced the min wage, that has a negative effect on society

    the social security COLA accounts for that
     
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    The situation I was in at the point when I left work was my total pay was 17,000 a year which was just above the cut off for medicaid
    and that was deliberate because the company had been criticized for having employees receiving benefits.

    The first price I looked at for health insurance was 17,000 a year, so I quit work to get a part-time job.

    If the minimum wage had been increased so I got say 25,000 a year then after paying healthcare I would have had 8,000 a year to live on which would have been a bit tough.
     

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