So. Are you surprised that there have not been more terrorist attacks then?

If the hysteria, and unprecedented volume of media exposure, not to mention never ending claims by politicians, were to be used as a measure, then over the past decade, there really should have been terrorist attacks, in the US, and across Western Europe, almost daily, ranging from small, to others that would be in the same category as the Twin Towers.

And yet, in reality, estimates seem to indicate that in fact, the total number of those killed by terrorist attack, is actually less than the entire number of lives that the IRA claimed, during their campaign, such as it was.

And yet, hundreds of hours of sombre warnings, and dire predictions assured us that this was a GLOBAL NETWORK, that was well funded, well organised, and well numbered. Gov officials routinely placed the level of possible attack as being 'almost certain'. Our news channels would give air time to claims of packages arriving with strange powders, or that police had raided a certain number of homes, and found 'equipment to make ricin bombs'.

We can look back on almost all of those cases, and see that they turned out to be 100% false. This is despite the fact that they often came from 'official sources'. But then 'official sources' tell the most lies.

If anything, since Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the ongoing unconditional support of Israel, you would have thought that these dangerous RADICALS would have become more radicalised, more organised, better funded still, and ultimately doing what the authorities and media warned us they would do, and that is use all means to hurt us, in a series of terror attacks, sophisticated and crude.

And yet, it hasn't happened, has it.

How strange. I cannot accept for one moment, that this dangerous global network, have sort of got bored with the idea of attacks in Western cities, have they? After all, were they not said to be DEDICATED to doing that very thing, even at the cost of their own life?

I find it equally hard to believe that Uncle Sam, like a real life Rambo, took on and beat 'Radical Islam'. Invaded and occupied a couple of nations that did not attack them, maybe. Killed tens of thousands of innocents, yes. But it is hard to imagine this world in which 'Radical Islam' has been either broken up, or have surrendered.

Of course, there is the crazy notion that the whole thing was over stated on purpose, with the sole intent of gaining from the fear and hysteria that would follow, and that the intelligence agencies and Gov knew full well that this supposed terrorist network were not as organised, affiliated, funded, or supported, as they suggested - nothing like it.

They simply exploited 9/11, and even 7/7, and used both as a typical example of what was going to be 'the norm'.

I find the cynical use of that disgusting to be honest, and anyone should, no matter their usual politics.

Imagine making political gain from the death of your own people?

I really cannot buy the idea that this GLOBAL NETWORK that hours of news warned us about, decided that they wouldn't bother with more and more bombs, in the US and Western Europe, or that they have been all killed or locked up, or defeated. After all, wasn't it meant to be an 'idealogy', and even if you defeat some of those that subscribe to that idealogy, others will simply take it on, maybe more so, won't they?

Those that allegedly were behind the 7/7 attacks, they were not, AFAIK, part of any sort of organised terrorist network, I believe they were born here, and v probably got themselves mixed up in some sort of thinking, bad thinking, that finally led to their actions, the same sort of thinking that has sometimes led to Neo Nazi's using terrorist actions, in the US and Britain.

As time goes on, you are seeing the whole 'terrorist' thing change shape. Predictable. The likes of the 'Taliban' will be 'friends' again pretty soon, you wait and see, esp if at some point they are of use to the criminal elites here. And when you examine the make up of many of the so called 'rebels' in Libya, you begin to see that many of them were not merely ordinary Libyans, but fighters who allegedly had previous links to, shall we call them Al Queda type groups. Britain, the US, NATO, all those elites knew this, and yet backed them, giving them the means, and the method.

That is why no logical person should believe anything their state tells them, without first testing their statement out, at least ten times.

This should be applied to anything told to you by media elites, religous elites, and corporate elites.

Before taking it on as 'fact', do that and you should be okay.

 

It'll happen eventually. I'm not surprised it hasn't happened. But no defense is perfect and one will eventually leak through. I honestly think most terrorist organizations might rethink any attacks against the US at this point. They know if we trace them their country is freakin' doomed to years at war. ;P

I think it's more likely just random crazy nobodies will do it next.

 

NO Surprise at all ...

 

I don't know why anyone would attribute anything to our government. They've stopped like 3 attacks. Other attacks have succeeded, or were just too dumb to work, or were stopped by civilians. Fact is terrorist attacks are rare to begin with. Our policies to fight terror have been similar to amputating the head because of an annoying skin disease which almost never pops up, only affects very small areas, and we've been trying to cure with placebos rather than methods that may work.

 

Ya think? Hmm .. how did that war with S Arabia play out then, since, you know, most of those that were allegedly behind 911 were Saudi?

Let's be honest here - the threat was vastly over stated, and done that way, on purpose. Total lies were fed out, by official sources, as being legitimate news, when it was anything but the kind.

If the threat were as pervasive and likely as they told us it would be, post 911, then it would not matter how good your security is, heck, it would be easy for a determined amateur to fashion a crude explosive, that would cause a fair fatality rate, imo. And yet, despite the propaganda, that hasn't really happened has it?

I've not seen the Muslim population of the US, rising up, and using whatever means to fashion explosives, to set off, in their town or city. No nation could full guard against that type of attack, yet it just hasn't happened, despite the fact that these bogeyment terrorists logically have MORE reason now, post 911, than they may even have had before it.

 

I don't know why Americans, who on one hand tell you they want 'small Goverment and less internvention', are so keen, on the other hand, to accept the state official line, on the most important of matters possible.

I was brought up thinking Americans despised the state communist idea of the people thinking as the state want them to, and taking the state version of events, to be the version of events.

Either I was wrong, or someplace down the decades, this changed, because what I read more and more are Americans who repeat the state line, almost verbatim, on the very most key issues.

Even when the state are proven to be deceivers, it does not seem to matter, they believe the next set of state claims.

So, when that state tells me they have stopped anything, I stop and wonder if they really did, or whether it is just yet more BS they feed out as news, as has been shown, time and again.

Terrorism exists, because terrorism works.

Islamic terrorists are a relatively new concept, new to the World, new to Islam.

But people are people, and they learn from others.

Israel is a state founded on terrorists, and terrorist action, indeed at least one former Israeli PM was a terrorist, in one of the groups.

Israel managed to illegally take land that did not belong to them, and depose the native people, by using acts of terror. The message there is that using terror works.

Western nations, who once only really got into war as a last resort, they began getting into conflict, sometimes several at once, as a matter of routine. They achieved their ends, using acts of terror, but the state like to manipulate language, so they would call it something other than terror.

But anyway, again, the message is that terrorism works, and that being brutal is okay.

If that is the message that is being given out, then I really fail to see how those giving out that message can possibly take the moral high ground, when others think 'Okay, you are right, acts of terror can be a success, so we will do it'?

 

Why do people always claim that the jews are kicking a native people out of the land when they themselves were run out of that very same area by aggressors.

 

What are you talking about?

You do know that in 1948, Israel was populated mostly by Jews from E Europe, Russia, Poland, etc. That is what they were, Russian, Polish immigrants, to a region they had never set foot in before, where there was already people and a society.

They were invited to live alongside the native people, some of whom were Jews.

They decided that was not good enough, and following acts of Jewish Nationalist Terrorism, the King David Hotel being just one example, these incomers stole, quite illegally, more and more land, that did not belong to them.

 

There are only three possibilities

1. The terrorists can't pull off attacks in the US.

2. The terrorists don't want to pull off attacks in the US

3. We've thwarted all the attempts to pull off attacks in the US

My common sense non political self thinks that the threat is exagerrated, but the fearfull among us seem to play into the hands that profit from our being afraid.

 

The citizens are getting restless with the destruction of the Bill of Rights. My guess is that there will be another terrrrrrrrrst attack in the near future.

 

The Jews were in Israel long before the 1900's. The Romans marched them out and forced them to spread throughout Europe. In contrast, the Palestinians have never had an established country there. They were a refugee people kicked out of all the neighboring countries until Britian decided to give them a place to call their own. They certainly did not create Palestine themselves. Blaming the Jews for returning to their original homeland is not fair.

 

Which Jews?

I have already told you that there were Jews living there, before 1948, and as a matter of fact, they got on v well with the non Jews that made up the society there.

There was harmony in the region.

That is why it is a LIE that Jews and Muslims cannot live together, in peace - they did and they could, were it not for Zionist toxin.

The Jews that migrated to Israel in number, they were invited to live alongside the locals, in peace.

Don't be bringing the bleedin' bible into this, these Jews were Russian, Polish, Hungarian, Romanian, etc, they had never set foot in that region of the world, to return to somewhere, you have to have BEEN there.

They could have done what anyone else would have done, and returned to their actual country of origin.

I am sure that others who were liberated from prisons and internment camps, who were not Jewish, I am pretty sure they went back to live in their birth nation, right?

I mean, I don't recall a bit of land being given up for the gays, who suffered greatly, under the Nazi's.

I do not see a Crystal Ball Land, for the many gypsies that were slaughtered, under Nazi rule.

Don't gays and gypsies merit a bit of land, as well, somewhere where they can be free from persecution, and somewhere that gays or gypsies can go live on, if they so wish?

 

The Jews originated in Israel. You are correct that many Jews were born outside of their traditional land. However the point your not seeing is that there was a mass migration back to Israel because it afforded them more protection. After losing 6 million people to the Nazi's and Stalin's growing hate against them it was a good decision. Persecution on that level would force anyone to go somewhere safe. The Jews have as much right to that land as the Palestinians do.

 

There have been a few terror incidents in the USA, just not muslim based.

But as much as there are radical haters of government, I am not supprised Irish radicals with "Mac" in their names have blown up government stuff, and ran a rampage in high schools and universities. They seem to go under the radiar because cops don't expect white people to do any bombings, and high school shooting, or shopping mall shootings, or crash planes in to IRS buildings, or cary ricin agent, or shoot up restraunts.

I think the media is discriminating against balcks and latins. As there are few of those terrorist who get away with mass killings. Seems like they always get them fast, but allow the white ones to cutt lose and kill masses.

 

Be on the lookout. We caught them red-handed palm-faced lying last time, and they still got away with it.

See something, say something, like Big Sis Napolitano says.

 

Why?

Why does a person who is say British, and who also happens to be Jewish, have as much right to land they have never been to, let alone lived on, as those that have lived there, generation after generation?

 

Because the Jews that were living in other countries were being specifically targeted for termination based simply on their Jewish heritage. Hitler or Stalin did differentiate a Polish Jew from a Russian or German Jew. You are claiming they are different somehow from their brethren in Israel but the rest of the world did not make that distinction. There was never a mass movement to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the map simply because they are Palestinians. However if that were to happen I would expect all people from Palestine living abroad to return home for protection.

 

The lack of prevalence for terror attacks doesn't necessarily mean that less attempts to attack have occurred, but then again, it doesn't mean they're that common either.

When discussing the prevalence of terror attacks, it's important to remember that a lot of it involves info that most of us don't have access to.

For example, you more often find out when an intelligence agency screws up something regarding terror (like 9/11) than when it successfully stops an attack.

For obvious reasons, a lot of security work is confidential in nature.

 

We attacks nationed that had nothing to do with the actual attacks and called SA and Egypt, the two nations that funded and trained the highjackers our allies.......Americans are stupid.....

 

We only get attacked when the Gov thinks they need to scare us into another war.

In other words, I'd be on high alert with this Iran shenanigance.

 

So. Are you surprised that there have not been more terrorist attacks then?

No, because we put a lot of effort in detecting terror cells early in their mosques. It's the lone wolf jihadist that often slips through the cracks and strikes.

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The naivety

 

You'll grow out of it.

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Which Mosques?

Where?

How many 'cells'?

What charges were brought?

How many convictions?