So. the Big Bang looks to not be a fact. Now what?

~ Planet earth and the galaxy were always here. They are perpetual in infinity. There likely are other dimensions that we cannot imagine.

" We live on planet earth — till death do us part."​

 

Schrodinger's cat

 

Yes. But on a rather bigger scale...
TBH I hadn't realised the comparison.

 

While your ideas may feel right, they don't match up to what we're seeing, namely that at the beginning of our universe there WAS no time & space for things to be in.

Nothing existed.

Sure, u can decide that things existed in some other universes if u want, but we can't see anything there. It's all imaginary. Now, I can enjoy an imaginary land as much as the next guy, but please let's not say it's scientific.

 

Exactly.
There was nothing.
But the potential was always that there would be something. Nothing could become something.
The essential quality of the duality of the universe.

 

It was an interesting video. Seems to indicate we don't know as much as we'd like to think we do.

 

We're not talking about just things posted on YouTube it's based on images taken by a telescope.

Is there some sort of personal reason why you would need to believe in The Big bang theory?

 

I don't think this involves religion at all. It was talking about how the galaxies are moving and their position in the universe.

 

no it's a correct view on science. It must be falsifiable in order for it to be science.

I'll debunk this right now. I saw a ghost last night you can't falsify that so it must be science or science needs to be open to the idea of ghosts existing.

quantum mechanics has to do with the mechanics of a subatomic particles. It is absolutely falsifiable we could make a microscope that could see small enough to see some atomic particles and be able to see if they're really behaving the way we theorized.

Just because we don't fully understand something doesn't mean it's not falsifiable for instance the Big bang was falsifiable without understanding how a universe is created.

no quantum mechanics is theoretical and as far as We know there hasn't been any discovery to suggest the theory is in I could happen tomorrow and the whole thing be falsified.

We could find out that protons and neutrons aren't really charged the way they are. That would have falsify it all subatomic theory altogether.

We don't understand how gravity works we have a theory based on information in the observable universe it could be falsified tomorrow if we discover something that isn't affected by gravity yet has mass

This is a pretty rudimentary mistake you're making with this assumption just about the way anything works speaking in the realm of physics is theoretical because we don't actually know how it works for that you need the grand unifying theory.

Essentially you're saying all of the science is talking to ghosts because there's no grain unifying theory that proves it all works I think you have a very backward view on science.

 

Interesting. Of course a concern I have is while ur thoughts are consistent and harmonious I wonder how they correspond to what we can see and touch.

 

The abstract imagination has been one of the most powerful driving forces for understanding in all of history. Without it science would have no direction.
What we can see and touch is only the beginning.
The genius who saw further into his world and others, equal to Copernicus and Einstein, said:
“And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

 

Can I put forward my dinosaur extinction theory? I think when God was a kid he liked dinosaurs (Just like every kid) After a while he got bored and left them to it.
When he popped back he found the dinosaurs had got really big and the mammals had all but disappeared. Yum yum.
He got really cross and threw a rock at them.

 

If he were an American he would throw a snowball at them.

 

Speaking of dinosaurs, in truth I was wondering only recently why when they were wiped out didn't some new species that developed didn't grow to their size ever again.
It couldn't be because mammals dominated life on earth...there are still many species which can be traced back to dinosaurs. So why did they stay small?

 

First, I got to tell u that ur right, and what ur saying is important.

At the same time my thinking is we gain more by looking around at what is. A few centuries ago they thought the earth was the center of the universe, then after a big fuss they decided it was the sun. A hundred years ago they changed that to our galaxy as being the center and now u & I know better. What I'm getting at is this idea of our space and time being the end all do all of reality is not all that hot. What I'm saying is that the space/time we enjoy is a tiny island in, well, something.

With regard to that "something", how about we first look and then imagine what we're looking at? The other thing is how I'd love to strut about how wonderful I am instead of relating to what ur saying.

fwiw, that quote's from Shakespeare in the early 1600's, two centuries after Copernicus died.

 

"fwiw, that quote's from Shakespeare in the early 1600's, two centuries after Copernicus died."

Indeed.
It is from Hamlet which, among other things explores the reality of...reality.
It is a fallacy to say there is no value in the arts. They invite us to explore far further than what we already take for granted.

 

completely true, while the scientists make life possible, the artists give us a life worth living.

no doubt about it, we need both.

 

I believe that matter is formed from a vacuum. vacuum is the most dense packing of matter. With the expansion of the universe and the vacuum, new atoms are formed. In the same way as in absolutely transparent water, opaque gas bubbles form when the piston is pulled.

 

Those gas bubbles come from gas that was dissolved in the water, not "nothing"
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Thank you, Professor Hoyle.

You may return your Nobel Prize at your earliest convenience

 

I think it was because after the cooling caused by the asteroid strike, the earth never warmed up enough to support large cold blooded creatures, and mammals don't grow that big for genetic reasons.

 

Scientist tell us how we exist, artists why.

 

That makes sense. But what made the genetics restraining size happen?

 

Chance really. One trait is slightly more successful than another and natural selection does the rest.

 

When did it change from Big Bang Theory to Big Bang is fact?
I missed that one.