Solving climate crisis will require a total transformation of global energy

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  1. Starcastle

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    From the link about Chile that Jack posted. The idiots cancelled a hydro electric project in the interest of pushing much more expensive solar and wind power. WTF?

    https://climaterealism.com/2022/03/...preview-of-whats-in-store-for-bidens-america/

     
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    New York is backing down.
    Is There Anyone Taking This Green Energy Transition Thing Seriously?
    April 13, 2022/ Francis Menton
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    • As reported in my last post, even the U.S. government’s own Energy Information Administration in the Department of Energy doesn’t believe for a minute that any kind of rapid transition to “net zero” carbon emissions is about to occur in this country.

    • Although President Biden has supposedly committed the entire federal bureaucracy to the “net zero” by 2050 transition, the EIA projects steady and even increasing fossil fuel usage in the U.S. through the entire 28 intervening years.

    • But surely there must be somebody taking this green energy transition thing seriously. The obvious place to look for such serious commitment would be in New York State, and most particularly New York City.
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    Probably in order to secure funding of the project would be my guess.

    IDK. You have to be careful with people from all sides of the aisle on these type issues. It is easy for either side to miscast what really is going on. For instance, people are wanting to use Tule Lake in California is proof that extreme drought driven by climate change demands immediate action and they are desperately fighting to save a couple endangered fish. That lake was completely drained about 100 years ago to create homesteads, was since reclaimed, a good bit of it was drained by the government again last year to save ducks from a disease outbreak, and farmers and ranchers have continued to pump water out of it. There is very little climate has to do with that situation other than perhaps water temperature rising led to the disease outbreak that caused the government to drain it. It isn't like the thing just suddenly started drying up.
     
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    Has he gotten over losing his bet yet?
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-Will-Only-Reinforce-Pierre-Gosselin-s-Denial

    Lols! Such a disappointment that the earth continued to warm
     
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    Lols! Even Gosselin had to admit he lost that bet!
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    That bet ended in 2020. Cooling 2016-present.
     
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    How much cooler than the current temperature would be the "right" global temperature?
     
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    Yeah, he mistimed -- or more likely ignored -- the solar cycle, which was falling 2000-2009, rising 2010-2014. If the sun stays quiet, 2020-2030 will very likely be cooler than 2010-2020. Where I live, this spring has been the coolest and latest on record.
     
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    Six years lols! Talk about a cherry pick! That those six years have been the hottest on record is just a by product
     
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    Cooling since 2016, likely to continue to 2030 and probably beyond.
     
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    You don't seem to understand how different factors inherently contribute to development of a secular trend. Even if ECS is only 0.5C, a number far too low to be concerned about, and just ~1/3 of the bottom of the IPCC's estimated range, the fact that that effect is added onto all the rest of the climate system still implies that the most recent years will turn out to be the hottest. You're effectively arguing that because a higher-protein diet has made the Japanese grow taller at the same time the low birthrate has added to that effect, with the combined result that the average height of the Japanese has been greatest in the most recent years, the Japanese have to have more children lest they turn into giants in the future!

    The principal cause of the effect -- solar activity in the case of climate, protein in the case of the height of the Japanese -- has a limited maximum possible contribution to the effect, which has probably been reached, or close to it. The minor contributing factor -- CO2 in the case of climate, low birth rate in the case of average Japanese population height -- also has a maximum possible effect, which is not close to having been reached, but which would not have as much effect as the principal factor even if it were to be maximized.

    If we assume the Japanese diet now has about as much protein as it ever will, and it won't decrease in the future, that would be like the sun staying as active as it was in the 20th century, with the result that some minor additional warming could be expected even with stable CO2. But in fact, the sun is likely to become less active, with the result that climate will cool even in the face of increasing CO2, much like what we could expect if something happened to reduce Japanese protein intake to its former level even if its birthrate remained low: reduced average height of the population. You are just misattributing the increased height of the Japanese to their low birth rate because the most recent years inherently show the combined effects of both the major and the minor factors.
     
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    Oh! Dear! If there is an actual fact in that lot of made up waffle it is crying for loneliness
     
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    Logic is not exactly your strong suit, is it?
     
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    There is no transition.
    $Trillions For Nothing…Damning Report: Green Energies Grow Only “Paltry Two Percent In Entire Decade”!
    By P Gosselin on 18. June 2022

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    Global transition to green energies stagnates
    By Kalte Sonne
    (Translated/edited by P. Gosselin)

    This is reported by various media. Put simply, global energy demand is rising faster than the expansion of renewable energies, or at least so fast that the increases are only marginally reflected in the overall balance. There is, for example, the German taz (emphasis added):

    A paltry two percentage points increase in an entire decade: In 2020, only 12.6 percent of global energy demand was met by renewable energies. In 2009, the figure was 10.6 percent. This is the conclusion drawn by the think tank REN21 in a report presented by energy experts on Wednesday.

    According to the report, progress is being made in the expansion of power plants that produce renewable electricity, i.e. solar plants, wind turbines, hydroelectric power plants – but fossil capacities are not being reduced. Instead, energy demand continues to grow, eating up the renewables successes.

    Otherwise, these would be remarkable. Just last year, there was another record in the addition of renewable power plants: a capacity of 314 gigawatts was connected to the grid. But because fossil fuels still account for around 80 percent of total energy consumption, a real transition to green energies is not taking place, warns REN21. This also jeopardizes the climate targets.”. . . .
     

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