Something I Don't Understand About Critics Of U.S. Military Spending

That was a cold war with both sides aware of the use of nukes but so far in this topic there are american chatters talking on full scale invasion of russia and china etc..
You have now leap frogged a cold war stand off to full scale world war against the most powerfull nations on earth. Unfourantly they are not iraq, they are wealthy with extreme militaries of thier own with all the bells and whistles of nuclear capabilities. Also they have as many hardliner conservatives as you probably do and they all be bashing the same button.

 

I am completely confident that the U.S. could destroy the Chinese (Russian) Navy, destroy the Chinese (Russian) Air Force, decimate the Chinese (Russian) Army, and be seizing territory on the borders of China (Russia) and neither China nor Russia would be using nuclear weapons.

Because the U.S. can't occupy or control either has a whole and regime survival is assurred despite military defeat.

 

Why do you believe nations like china and russia would allow you to get that close? It take weeks to position usa forces for such an assault.

In your view the chinese/russian generals would be hippy liberals and wait for the invasion to begin?

or would putin etc... be slightly upset and start using their nuclear stockpiles.

 

These are the people that are always reminding us that b.o. is a major KILLER of "bad guys."

There was a line in the movie, "The Right Stuff." About our first Astronauts. "No bucks, no Buck Rogers." It is expensive to kill bad guys too.

 

I'm not saying they would.

They would not wait for a U.S. attack. I was just using that illustration to demonstrate the extreme unlikelihood of either using nuclear weapons.

What does Putin want to do? Be dictator over piles of ashes?

Better to be a dictator of a defeated nation than no nation at all.

 

Few things here. First off we certainly can defeat any of those nations in a conventional war. Second any of those nations could defeat us in a war of attrition (think Vietnam, Afg, Iraq, etc). Both sides have a point. If we just go over there, kick the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of them, and leave, then oh yeah we're going to win without issue. If on the otherhand we stay we will eventually be forced out due to war weariness and the cost. A nation like China has so many people it's entirely possible they could push us out through force, and a nation like Russia is so large it could be a nightmare to occupy.

I think the biggest thing worth noting though is that people who believe in shrinking the military also don't believe in our current foreign policy where we seem to be attacking at least one nation every decade. We could easily decrease the size of our military and still be able to defend our nation. Fact is entire oceans must be crossed to invade us and just like how we can't take them by attrition none of those nations could take us by attrition. With the amount of armed citizens it's doubtful the entire country could even be occupied by any one nation. We'd almost certainly cause them to leave by force, and that's pretending that they somehow not only get here but also defeat our military (we'll say 1/4 of it's current size). Short of China moving 30 million men here over night I just don't see us falling through force. If anything our military spending, and more specifically at this time the spending on the War on Terror, is a much larger threat than any other nation. Well, short of nuclear war anyway.

 

Since nuclear weapons were brought up I'm almost certain they would be used as defensive weapons on a nations own soil rather than for assaulting another country. As was stated MAD is a very real threat, and if on nation launched nukes against another it would be a very real possibility. However if a nation dropped nukes on its own soil to destroy an invading army it is hard to see the invading nation going with a nuclear retaliation, knowing fully well they would themselves be counter-attacked. Rather the nation being invaded would have decimated the invading army, leaving the invading nation without the ability to conduct further operations.