Something new about the Trans rights movement

Libertarianism views this from the perspective of every person having the right to make decisions for themselves.
Something tells me what you are talking about is not Libertarianism.

 

Given YOUR abysmal track record of OPPOSING women's RIGHTS I am not in the least bit surprised that you do NOT support an individual right to self identify either.

Sad!

 

You realize how ironic it is that you are saying that, coming from your side of this issue.

 

What's wrong with that? If they don't like it, can't they switch to men?

 

They shouldn't be discriminated against in any setting that does not involve gender segregation. I think most conservatives can agree with that.


(with just a few caveats there: not talking about gender transition in the first place, and not talking about forcing individual people not to discriminate, and there might be a few exceptions in certain religious situations)

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say there.

It seems like you are saying that what gender you refer to a trans person by does not change reality, one way or the other.

 

I don't think science has determined that. (Not in the context of the topic here)

Not necessarily. What if you have a "lesbian's brain" in a male body? Why can't the lesbian just live as a male? What's the problem with that?

 

How about it can be respected, but with a handful of certain exceptions?

Besides, gender is only ONE aspect of self identity.

 

No it isn't, and your constant use of caps makes you look shouty while your statements without regard for what I wrote make you look preachy. I think I may have to skip over the rest of your posts.

 

And combat sports. Really, anywhere that society segregates genders.

 

I like Derideo_Te 's posts, in a way. They are so ludicrous and over-the-top, they make him look unhinged. I don't really know how much credibility his posts really create for his side. He manages to give me a good laugh lots of times (even though I think it is unintentional).

 

A trans man/woman is welcome to engage men in combat sports.
I see absolutely no problem with that.

Not many women are engaged in combat sports, so... not really a huge issue, I would think.

Now, the question is whether individual men would want to fight trans people in combat sports. (They might decline in some of the close contact situation sports)

 

Yes. I don't think many would deny somebody demanding the right to self identify however they want. It is when they insist others view them their preferred way that this comes into some conflict.

And taken more extreme, some have taken it beyond male/female. There was that guy who wanted to transition race, etc. If we are to be forced by law (rather than by mere courtesy) to go along with the transexual, why not the transracial, god believer, etc?

 

The issue is mostly about transwomen who want to fight other women in combat sports. To those who don't see them as women, these would be seen as men beating up women, which would be seen as quite taboo of course. Its a fascinating case of trans vs feminism.

 

I think they could still fight, in some situations, if the trans women wasn't too big and strong, and they paired her off against another very big and burly woman who was equal.

But competitively, in a tournament, I agree that that would be problematic.

 

If so, then I would call that major societal progress. With other civil rights movements the black people, women, homosexuals, etc had to fight for basic acceptance and no discrimination against them for being who they are. With gay people, for example, it wasn't about "you aren't gay". It was "you are an abomination". For black people it wasn't "you aren't black, you are white". I was "you are subhuman, or less intelligent, or more violent, etc".

 

Yes. I don't see any issue with a woman signing up to fight a man, willingly and purposefully. But in a tournament type setting, or in a women's division, I don't see why they should be forced to.

Same with women's only gyms and transwomen being allowed in whereas men are forbidden. The easy solution is to do away with gender segregated gyms, but so long as they are a thing, this is a conflict.

 

THESE are YOUR own words that I QUOTED from YOUR post;

I DIRECTLY quoted YOUR own words so it is NOT my problem if YOU cannot defend your own fallacious allegations about Trans people.

YOUR white flag of surrender is accepted.

Have a nice day!

 

He / She is clearly here to disrupt, virtue signal, and fight. Apparently this person views this thread as a contest and I have "surrendered". I have no tolerance for that sort of writer. I started this thread in good faith and looking for discussion, not mud slinging.

 

Oh, the IRONY given the BIZARRE content of YOUR posts about abortion and the LBGTQ community that amounted to harassment of other members.

 

Only one doing any mud slinging is YOU with your FALLACIOUS allegations about Trans people.

But not in the least surprised that you CANNOT defend your own allegations.

Sad!

 

The whole "issue" revolves around so few people that it can be addressed on a case by case basis. Turning it into a general, societal matter is blowing it entirely out of proportion. Their are protections in place for all persons; extra protections must be looked into very specifically and carefully.

 

Gallup's latest survey data rose to 5.6% of the population SELF IDENTIFYING as being members of the LBGTQ community.

That means that more than 1 out of every 20 people is LBGTQ.

Attempting to DISPARAGE and DOWNPLAY a segment of society that has been consistently VICTIMIZED and DENIED their RIGHTS is disingenuous.

The FACT that those EXISTING protections are being VILIFIED by those who are waging a nefarious campaign against Transgenders establishes that those "protections" are NOT working.

WHY must the Transgender people be FORCED to go to court just to have the right to use a public bathroom?

Even the content of your own post DENIGRATES the importance of UPHOLDING the rights of Transgenders to be treated with dignity and respect by society as a whole.

 

I do agree that it is probably very very few people. It is hard to know exactly how few though. I think it is so politicized and stigmatized that we still have people in the closet about it on the one hand, and on the other hand others (children mostly) who are pushed into it by their parents when they are actually just tom boys or effeminate men.

 

I mean no disrespect to you, but if you think this is an issue of narcissism, there really is no need to go any further.