Staind vocalist calls out male concert attendees (a tale of personal responsibility)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/...ssholes-molesting-crowd-surfing-teenage-girl/
Ya know, when you participate in certain events and activities you increase your odds of X happening. If you walk down a poorly lit city street in a shady part of town, you increase your odds of being robbed or other wise assaulted.

Does it mean that you were "asking for it" or "deserved it"? No, but you put yourself in a situation where the probability of being robbed was far higher than in a small town park.

Use common sense. Just because something shouldn't happen doesn't mean someone can wave the victim flag when odds are 99.9% that X will occur. I don't crowd surf because I like my $250 wildland boots and my wallet. I see shoes and boots pulled off at Mayhem all the time.

If I crowd surf knowing there is a 99% chance I will loose them, do I really have a place to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and complain? If I mosh and get an elbow in the face, can I really (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and complain while understanding it is probably going to happen? Either I leave with a bloody nose or a friend does. It is just how it goes.

Time to take some personal responsibility folks. Don't put your self in situations where you are almost certainly going to be groped/assaulted/robbed.

 

I sort of agree. Yeah, use your brain.

At the same time, though, it's basically never okay to grope someone without their permission, which obviously includes 15-year-old crowd-surfers.

Crowd-surfing doesn't mean you automatically consent to being groped.

 

She was actually 18, but it happens. I have never seen a woman who crowd surfed and wasn't groped.

It is one of those things.

 

I think going to a Staind concert was her first mistake. Eeesh.

 

Singer of a tough rock band, meh - sounds like a total fraggot to me........
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Out and Been a While are good.... buuutttttt... yeah.

She should have been cool and gone to a Whitechapel or Lamb of God concert.

 

Or better yet, a real metal band.

 

Its wrong, but if you willingly crowd surf on top of a bunch of guys...expecting not to get groped makes you a grade-A class, clueless, dimwit. Its like people who base jump then complain when they break their legs=) HELLO!!!!???

 

Ohhhhhhhhh that is unforgivable.

 

that band leader is a thousand times the human being you are

 

nah,Staind singer just sounds like a self-righteous prick to me - bet he's busy groping his 15yr old groupies after the gigs anyway

 

I think he sounds like a responsible adult. Do those concepts equate, in your mind?

 

They're not that bad. Sure, they're radio rock, but I'd rather listen to them over any of the Top 40 crap these days.

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What's self-righteous about a singer wanting to protect an underage fan from sexual harassment?

 

What about the personal responsibility of the people groping a 15 year old girl? Why is it that you focus on shaming a victim instead of shaming the perpetrator? I find that a little odd and disturbing. Do you really think that the singer should have been shaming the girl for crowd surfing instead of shaming the guy who groped her? That's messed up.

 

I doubt she'd bat an eye if it were Cougars fondling a fifteen year old boys privates.

 

On the one hand, I agree that common sense helps you avoid bad situations.

On the other hand, I don't find standing up for an underage girl to be something "self-righteous."

You must have rather odd morals.

 

He's just pretending to be , total flake IOW

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rock is supposed to be rock, not PC liberal indoctrination class, that's what

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well actually that would have been a better idea - because a crowd of drunken rockers at a live gig are hardly gonna act all PC now are they -

 

So, not molesting 15 year old girls is a liberal idea? Hmm, I'm alright with that claim.

So, don't hold a groper responsible because you assume they're drunk (not sure why an underage girl is in the "wet" section of the crowd, but sure, let's pretend for the sake of argument), but hold a teen victim responsible. Got it. That sends a great message to society: "Go ahead and sexually assault teen girls, guys! We'll blame the girls!" If the opposite of that is "PC liberal indoctrination," then I guess your version is conservative indoctrination.

 

No, it's just called commonsense.

 

Please point out where I blamed the victim?

I made it quite a clear that I do not blame the victim. What I did say, is that a person ought use some common sense. People who do not use common sense are not really in a place to use the victim card.

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Feminism is like an all whites club pretending to be concerned with the rights of minorities.

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She was 18 fyi.

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Common sense is inhuman?

Go crowd surf with a $1,000 in your wallet, and see if you still have your wallet when you make it over the front row railing.

 

Real feminism used to be like that. Real feminist were women who did not want special privileges, did not feel entitled and things like "girl power", and simply wanted to end discrimination against women. anf be treated equally and fairly with dignity and grace. I have no problem with that.

Now it has been trumped by man hating women who want to hate men just for being men, and want to reduce men to slaves. A lot of them are also lesbians.

 

That groping when at a public event is a social norm is pretty sick in and of itself. What's even more sick is what appears to be the tacit approval and focusing on the victim in this thread.

Did she do something with pretty obvious consequences, yes. Is the fact that assault is a social norm at rock shows speak volumes about those who attend, yessiree.

 

agree, but it also says something about the guys doing it, as for the jumping, reminded me of this

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d33_1389108595

 

When you claim that someone who was wronged is not a victim because they didn't use what you call "common sense," you ARE blaming them. You're not only blaming them for their actions, as if THEY were the one responsible for the incident, but you actually DENY the crime - you DENY them being a victim. You're basically saying that if a girl gets black out drunk and a guy rapes her when she's out, it's not actually rape. It can't be, because she can't be a victim, since she didn't use common sense. DERP.

And that's all you have to say? Does that really make it any different?

 

I must agree. That is idiocy. In fact, I would bet quite an amount that a little bit 'a groping is PART of what she was looking for. - simply because as you point out, it is SOOOO obvious that there will at least be plenty of inadvertant groping.