Star Trek Universe -- A World Without Religion?

Okay one race has ample vices the Ferengi and they are also religious, there is ample greed to them its a virtue as are others save sloth and one would argue a Ferengi who doesn't have to work is likely a damned successful one sleeping on a bed of gold pressed latinum.

 

...Well that would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

Wow. Just wow. I don't think anyone has managed to butcher a classic harder since Armond White reviewed Toy Story 3. I'd say more but I think the mods have it in for me.

 

You made the claim the Star Trek universe has no religion and I must include in that humanists who are atheists and want you to prove that claim any long time fan knows they have morality and religion in many episodes over all the shows. If your claim is TNG series was a utopia it was nice on the major worlds but in the frontier? Other species home systems? Not at all.

The title is fundamentally wrong.

 

I'm sure you'll be ok.

PS star wars sucks AND blows

 

And you are a terrible person who needs to get better at watching and understanding movies.

(Unless you mean exclusively The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, and Revenge of the Sith, in which case yes, those were childish, poorly-written, poorly-acted tripe and I owe you an apology.)

 

you owe me an apology

 

Jesus christ does that ever explain a lot. My bad, should've figured - nobody can watch The Empire Strikes Back and come out with the impression you got. You should go watch the older ones.

 

have done. while I agree they're an improvement, they're not my bag. I prefer my sci fi with the emphasis on sci

 

The borg aren't evil, neither are the romulian, the kardassian and the klingon.
All are acting toward what is in their best interest and so does the federation. In the history of starfleet, the federation did some pretty bad things. It did make the war between it and the klingon innevitable by isolating it from the ressources it needed, the klingon empire being short of dilithium and other strategic ressources ( kind of like the fuel and ressources embargo toward japan in ww2). It did also practice piracy on klingon and romulian cargo traveling in the neutral zones.

Even the vulcan aren't all good as seen in the "enterprise" serie.

 

Patrick Stewart is indeed a fine actor and this scene certainly encompasses what I like about the political stances Star Trek takes. In case you haven’t seen it yet, I don’t want to spoil it, but I certainly was relieved when Spock started his little ethical speech in the latest film.

I suppose the ethics are what Blackrook doesn’t like about Star Trek. If it’s just the fact that its first producer was an atheist, I pity him. He might as well stop liking Star Wars because its religious underpinnings were influenced by a Latter-day Saint: http://www.adherents.com/people/pl/George_Lucas.html

 

Lets be frank. Rage is where you can find it, Blackroot has his hackles up over Star Trek. Rather than debating it, perhaps a better answer is who really cares. Roddenberry gave us a vision of the future as he dreamed it would be. It is innocent, simplistic, hopeful. Given the time period the show was made, who can really blame him. The 60s really were the best of times the worst of times

 

my favourite series - well, neck and neck with TNG

Jonothan Archer is indeed, a flawed man.

 

The only problem i have with this serie is that they made the ship too modern compared to the original serie.
They should have gone with a Daedalus class instead.

 

agreed. but it didn't detract from the beautifully human (by ST standards) feel of the series.

 

Most sci fi fantasies suspend reality when dealing with the universe. Travel, for instance, is too easy. Gravity is not a switch.

I haven't seen the new star trek, but i liked the old ones, & of course, the old series. Those were full of very human issues.. drama, philosophical musings.. but this complaint is valid, & i can see how some might not enjoy the escapist nature of the film. I found myself watching a movie & could not get over the silly science of it. People traveled across the planet through a tunnel through the earth. One side had the elite rich, the other the poor workers. Everyone lived in high rises, with flying cars & instant food. There was no place to grow anything, yet billions of people live in high tech apartments, somehow provided by a benevolent nanny state, i suppose.

But it's no different than the good guy shooting a revolver across a 100 yd range & killing instantly 10 or 20 bad guys, while they, with fully automatic weapons, can't hit him while carrying a babe to safety. I don't mind suspending belief for a movie.. it's when the leftists want me to do it forever that i have a problem.

 

Yes. And i love the reference to archer's dog in the 2009 star trek movie.

 

The right is has guilty of this... The whole pleasantville society utopia that they belive the 50's and 60's were is equaly a sham.

 

I guess they didn't realize the main need for God is not to meet material needs. The main need for God is to be saved from Hell. Every material need can be met and there is still a need for God.

 

Have you noticed that people only started going to hell when Jesus arrived on the scene? Hell wasn't an issue in the Old Testament.

 

If there is a fact, even in his own source material, that goes against his rant....BR ignores it.

 

It kind of goes to prove that BR loves a world with "clearly defined black and white, good and evil" (naturally with himself as judge of what those qualities are).....

that he prefers his science fiction at THE most simplistic, child-like level of morality....i.e. "Star Wars", not the "grey areas" of ST and ST:TNG. And then (to further point out a characteristic) ATTACKS ST:TNG for the characters being "too perfect"....contradicting his own desire for "black and white" moral universes.

 

Just saw it and personally, didn't see the need to resurrect Khan. I never likes that story arc to begin with.

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I do think it's funny that anytime a series or movie doesn't mention Jesus the religulous thinks it is "without religion".

What they mean is "without Jebus".

 

And that was a common complaint about science fiction before the Golden Age, simplicity. Star Trek may not have always executed it's themes as well as it could, but when the show was on song, it didn't get much better

 

exactly!

evidently nowhere near disney enough for our BR, though. which is funny, because Disney bought the franchise by all appearances. jj abrams = satan.

 

I just watched an episode of TNG in which bronze age Vulcans get the idea that Picard is a god, and they start to worship him.

The man who buys into this the most is demonstrated to be a foolish and irrational character.

Picard does all he can do to convince the Vulcan people that he is just a man.

He lets them shoot him with an arrow to prove he can be hurt.

The message of the episode is hammered down so hard my head still hurts.

"Religion is BAD!"

"Look at how CRAZY people get when they start believing in religion!"