Statehood for Australia's Aboriginees?

Denisovan Genetic Material as a Fraction of that in New Guineans

Aboriginal Australians are directly descended from Denisovans and up to 6% of the DNA of Melanesians such as Indonesians and Papua New Guineans and Australian Aborigines have derived from Denisovans according to recent genetic research. They were confused with black Africans in the past but the African people do not have either Neanderthal nor Denisovan DNA at all. The Denisovans used to live in mainland Asia as well but they were gradually displaced to Southeast Asia where they exchanged genes with H. sapience and dark-coloured Asians in Melanesia have inherited some portions of Denisovan genetic material.

 

Not sure what Hogan was drinking or snorting before he made that senseless comment, but doesn’t “native title” indicate ownership?

Not surprised he would say anything to put bums-on-seats to watch his trashy movies.

 

Which I believe may have been the basis of the atmospheric film Ground Zero

 

So then that must mess with the time lines for Aboriginal intrusion onto the Australian continent. Perhaps rather than 40,000 years we have a compression closer to the 20,000 year migration, example 2 waves fairly close together.

 

Friday 21 May 1999
Mungo Man older than thought
By JANINE MacDONALD
CANBERRA


Fresh analysis of the skeletal remains found at Lake Mungo in NSW 25 years ago indicate he may be up to 68,000 years old - making him 28,000 years older than earlier scientific estimates.

The revised dating of the remains by scientists at the Australian National University rewrites the history of Australia's occupation and has profound implications for worldwide debate over the origins of modern man.

Cross-matching a range of recent dating tests puts the minimum date of the burial of the remains at 56,000 to 68,000 years ago. The research, to be published today in the Journal of Human Evolution, came up with almost identical dates.

But the researchers add that the location of the Mungo skeleton, deep in Australia's south-east, suggests Homo sapiens arrived in the north-east much earlier, taking time to migrate inland and adapt to desert conditions before travelling down the continent.

The previous accepted estimate was that humans had roamed the country for 40,000 to 60,000 years.

The redating was carried out using three different methods - uranium series, electron spin resonance and optically stimulated luminescence. The researchers say they date the remains at 62,000 years, plus or minus 6000 years.

The findings strengthen the theory that two forms of man - the delicate people first and the robust people later - came to the outer reaches of the continent from two different parts of Asia tens of thousands of years ago.

These groups, along with others that came later, are then said to have merged to form modern Aborigines and Melanesians.

"The research has important implications for the global debate over the development of modern human variation, the beginning of human sea travel and the settlement by the ancestors of Aboriginal Australians of the semi-arid areas of the continent," said archaeologist Dr Alan Thorne.

The finding is certain to spark renewed debate between the multi-regionalists, who believe different people migrated from different parts of Asia, and those who support the "out of Africa" model that dates all human origin to Africa.

The discovery began more than a quarter of a century ago, when on 26 February 1974, the shifting sands of a lunette around Lake Mungo in the Willandra Lakes World Heritage area revealed an eroding gravesite.

It was a human skeleton - known as Lake Mungo 3 - that had been covered in red ochre during a burial ritual. The hands were interlocked and positioned over the penis.

Five years earlier the cremated remains of a female skeleton, known by local Aborigines as Mungo Lady, were found in the same area.

Using carbon-dating, a technique only reliable to around 40,000 years old, the skeleton was first estimated at 28,000 to 32,000 years old.

The figures were later revised upwards to about 40,000 years old.

Dr Thorne said the new research also provided new minimum ages for human cremation and the use of ochre in burials. The burial of Mungo Man involved the spreading of red ochre over the body during the burial ceremony. This is the earliest known use of pigment for artistic, philosophical or religious purposes.


References

Thorne, Alan (1999). Australia's Oldest Human Remains: Age of the Lake Mungo 3 Skeleton. Journal of Human Evolution 36: 591-612.

http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Mungo_Man.html

 

Don’t 250,000 white Australian mothers and their families deserve a Government apology for their children being stolen, but we never hear much about it.

An Australia march for the Aboriginal stolen generation. What about an Australian march for the white Australian stolen generation?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...n-also-deserve-an-apology-20101207-18o7t.html

 

Yes we should, I am one of those children..... but wait .....

Apology for forced adoption policies: the mothers and the children tell their stories
We apologise, PM tells victims of forced adoptions

Forced adoptions apology was PM at her finest

[video=youtube;5hVbokTpYeg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg[/video]

 

I’m not sure about anyone else, but its getting on my goat, how Aborigines are constantly whinging & whining about how their ancestors were treated by the white settlers, and how they are now being treated by the white man today.

Do Aborigines have any historical knowledge about the white settlement in Australia?

Australia and Tasmania were designated bloody British penal colonies; not some holiday camps for white tourists. I suppose all the white convicts are suppose to have eagerly jumped aboard those transport ships in delicious anticipation of killing off the local inhabitants and taking their land.

The majority of the convicts sent to Australia and Tasmania were innocent of the crimes they were convicted off. England needed a way to get rid of their poor and unemployed people, and convicting them in special “kangaroo courts” and sending them West, was the best and less expensive option available at the time to fix the social problem.

Imagine how an Aborigine would feel toady being sentenced to 25 years hard labour in an Island hell-hole somewhere, just for being unemployed, poor and homeless?

Australian Aborigines need to take a step back and look at the whole picture for a change, because they don’t have a monopoly on being hard-done-by.

 

I would aquaint yourself with Robert Hughes excellent discussion on the topic in his book The Fatal Shore (One of my ancestors was arrested and charged 5 times, the last time on the way home from the 4th court appearance) Then come back and we can have a real discussion on the topic

 

I’m not sure about anyone else, but its getting on my goat, how you come up with so much bulldust. This post shows your absolute lack of knowledge on the subject. Most convicts sided with the Aboriginals, it was the military and later the police AND TO THIS DAY IT STILL IS.

You wouldn't know if a tram was coming if it rang it's bell, your total lack of knowledge about Australia, it's history and it's people prove to me that your not one, so bug out or admit it.

 

Haven't seen it but I must have a look. I got that info from a former academic. It surprised me at the time, having done a bit of reading I'm no longer surprised.

 

Yeah I thought it was a very well done and thoughtful film. Been an awful long time since I have viewed it

 

Not sure what you want to discuss? Australian settlement, or Australian Aborigines constantly playing the victims, by thinking they are the only race of people who have been treated unfairly by society?

 

You love showing your total ignorance. You must, you keep showing it. Australian Aboriginals are part of a world wide network of Indigenous peoples displaced by greedy settlers.

What is it you want to discuss, where you come from maybe?

 

The vast the majority of convicts were in the colonies because they deserved to be

 

Yes, we seem to want to paint pretty pictures of Australia's birth. No birth is pretty. It seems to be a status symbol if your ancestors were convicts, which seems unusual.

CD seems to have his paint brushes in some strange coloured paint though.

 

I’m not suggesting all convicts sentenced to Australia and Tasmania were innocent of their crimes. I’m suggesting that the majority of the sentencing didn’t fit the crimes.
Life sentences in Island penal colonies for under-aged children and people who stole a loaf of bread or fruit just to survive could not be considered a fair or just sentence, and would indicate a social problem within England at the time.

If you believe under-aged children and people deserve life sentences on an Island penal colony just for stealing food to survive, then that is your prerogative.

http://www.convictcreations.com/history/crimes.htm

http://www.australianhistory.org/who-convicts

 

Well done to the Human deniers ,them people called the Aboriginal ,are in fact AUSTRALIAN Citizens equal to all others except for the putrid, Racist types that deny it.

 

Do you even know what you are talking about?

 

and if you believe we had a right to do what we did, to take the land, to take their dignity, to take their humanity, to kill and drive them into the deserts, just because they didn't come up to "Our Norms", it's disgusting, but it's your prerogative.

 

Would you prefer them hangws in their home country. At the time of the transportations there were over 200 crimes could get you hanged. They are collectively known as the bloody code

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Code

 

I think he actually agrees with you, as do I

 

Yeah I dont really know. But anyone with a serious interest in early Australian settlement should read Hughes' book

 

I will definitely read it.

 

This seems to have drifted away onto a tangent: discussing the justifications of the moral and ethical implications of the English legal system of convict transportation to penal colonies, which wasn’t factored into my # 108 original posting.

I made a brief reference to convict transportation to Australia; not to discuss the British legal system in 1788, but to demonstrate Australia during was a designated British convict penal colony, and not some holiday came for white tourists.

My point. Australia during early colonisation was a hell-hole, and the British dumped their unwanted citizens into Australia to either survive or die. I think you could classify this as being hard-done-by.

The majority of individuals don’t get a “free walk to Mayfair” in this life, and are prepared to endure the hard yards and hard times for their own survival.

I’m sick-to-death of Aborigines blaming white Australians for everything that goes wrong with their lives. They refuse to take any personal responsibility for themselves and their actions, and think they are the only ones who have to endure hardships throughout their lives. When something doesn’t work for them or something goes wrong, they immediately cry “hard-done-by” and stick their hands for financial help or compensation at everyone else’s expense, without doing a thing themselves to help.

No one forced Aboriginals into those outback community camps that have now became so problematic, they decided to live in those communities, because they didn’t want to live in Australian suburban cities and towns. These outback community camps were Aboriginal communities, so why is it the white Australians fault or white Australians responsibility to rectify the problems in these communities, when the Aboriginal people turned their communities into ghettos and slums themselves?

Schools were build in these communities and teachers were employed, all at tax payer funded expense, but the teachers left and the schools trashed, because Aboriginal people didn’t take the responsibility to send their children to school. Now they whinge & whine and blame white Australians because their children are not educated.

Medical clinics were built in these communities and medical staff were sent to communities on a regular basis, but the medical staff all left and the clinics trashed, because Aboriginal parents didn’t take the responsibility to medically care for their own children. Now they whinge & whine and blame white Australians because their children have a higher death mortality rate than white Australian children.

$billions of tax payers money was spent building new homes in these communities, and the majority of those home are trashed. Now they whinge & whine and blame white Australians because their housing standards are low.

There comes a time when you have to implement a logical principal of “hard love” and I believe the Aboriginal people have reached this point. No more free money, no more free hand-outs. If Aboriginal people want to do it their way, then its time to shake hands and part company, otherwise its time for the Aboriginal people to get onboard and get with the program. Having a foot in two worlds doesn’t work, isn’t working, and will never work.