Stealing an election is not the same thing as winning an election

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  1. ChiefSeattle

    ChiefSeattle New Member

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    You dodged my question. Sort of proves you really don't care whether justice is served here.
     
  2. ChiefSeattle

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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :wall:
     
  5. ChiefSeattle

    ChiefSeattle New Member

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    You are incapable of engaging this debate. Move along!
     
  6. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's no debate worthy of my participation is going on in this thread. Hence, all you get is :wall:

    You're very lucky, sonny. Most of Liberal threads don't even get that :)
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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  8. ChiefSeattle

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    Neither of which you have proof.

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    You are incapable of debating this thread.
     
  9. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed. There's no intelligent though in this thread :)
     
  10. ellesdee

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    That was my answer to your question, but I'll rephrase it just to be sure there's no more confusion:

    No I am not upset because I think both Trump and Clinton are (*)(*)(*)(*).

    I hope this is clearer for you.
     
  11. TOG 6

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    No one has presented any evidence whatsoever that the election was hacked.
    None.
     
  12. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    We have the Podesta emails the video stings of DNC operatives planning their dirty tricks, hecknit went even further with the media colusions.

    What do you think Watergate was about? It was petty compared to the Clinton campaign operation.
     
  13. ChiefSeattle

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    I never said they did. I said "they" had the intelligence and the proof. I never said that they presented the proof. You know, this isn't some kind of jig saw puzzle I typed in my explanation to confuse. My statement is clear, while you, on the other hand, do exactly the opposite. You decided to plant your own version of what I said. Sort of cute, but a big waste of time.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not even the intelligence community agrees. The NSA refused to give it high confidence like the FBI and CIA did. They are playing games and useful idiots are the prize.
     
  15. ChiefSeattle

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    They sure did a good job ducking this time didn't they; http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

    http://www.gregpalast.com/ethnic-vo...lp-fix-us-election-trump-reveals-greg-palast/

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/12/13/greg_palast_by_rejecting_recount_is
     
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    Since you refuse to understand the point, let me try again:
    There is no proof whatsoever that the election was hacked.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The Campaign certainly was.

    And doing that illegally is a crime. And for a foreign actor to do so is another crime.

    If Trump even knew of this, and the latest reports say he not only knew but participated, those are impeachable offenses, as espionage is a High Crime.

    This is Watergate all over again. Hopefully we'll get Pence too, though not even Ryan is any more good recently, as this latest Republican "resurgence" has encouraged him to let loose his inner Klansman
     
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    By that, you mean DNC/HRC e-mails.
    Those are e-mails, not the election.
     
  19. ChiefSeattle

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    The election was stolen illegally, as evidenced by Greg Palast. Just look at how Palast backs the Michigan secretary in a corner while catching him lying about the voter purge; https://www.democracynow.org/2016/12/13/greg_palast_by_rejecting_recount_is

    The intelligence community say they have evidence the election was hacked. For you to say there is no proof that the election was hacked is like saying you are the head of intelligence. The fact that they have not revealed that evidence, does not mean it doesn't exist.

    Putting hacking to the side, the real culprit to this stolen election was voter suppression as evidenced by Greg Palast. He caught both Kris Kobach with cross check and the Secretary in Michigan lying about it. And it's all caught on tape.
     
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    You cannot point to a single instance where anyone hacked anything, anywhere, and added or subtracted from vote totals.
    Thus, your claim has no basis in fact.
     
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    I'm with you as to concerns about gerrymandering, voter ID implementation, and uncounted votes. I've voiced these concerns long before our current election. If you have evidence as to voter fraud, I encourage you to present it and drive it through the correct channels.

    I don't have such evidence and I don't think suspicion of improper procedures by someone is the same as a demonstration that Trump committed fraud. Trump wasn't my choice, but he appears to be the legal president elect and I believe he will be the next president of the US.

    I wasn't a fan of Bush or Obama either, but once someone takes that office that person is what we got to work with. As a country, we agreed on a process, cast our votes, and elected Trump to lead this country. You can and should speak out if you disagree with where he's leading us, but it will be his hand on the wheel. That's the job America gave him.




     
  22. ChiefSeattle

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    Well then, you should look up the word fact. Because it is abundantly clear with your non-existent rebuttal of the information I gave, you have no idea what "fact" means. It is clear that you are living in a bubble of denial. The video clearly shows Greg Palast sitting down with one of the Michigan officials where Palast and the official concluded, which read that there were 450,000 purged voters, and he agreed. That is 100% evidence and fact for you, right there. They also pointed to the names that were purged of having different middle names, and claiming that was one person voting twice. Which is a criminal offense, and no one was locked up. And if you're a Republican, and you thought someone was voting twice, wouldn't you have them locked up? I would. I'm surprised, since Republicans were supposed to be concerned with fraud, they never went and locked up all these people who voted twice. That's enough evidence that even a two year old could understand, that their goal was to purge voters, not eliminate fraud.
     
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    Fact:
    You cannot point to a single instance where anyone hacked anything, anywhere, and added or subtracted from vote totals.
    Fact:
    Your claim to that effect has no basis in fact.
     
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    Like I said, you have no idea what a fact is. You are incapable of providing evidence against the criminality of the crosscheck scam, faulty or turned off voter machines, one polling station or relocated polling stations to keep minorities from voting either by location or not having enough, no good reason for the AG of Michigan not to allow a recount, hijacked this election. And Greg Palast proved it. And do you know how I know it's true? Because no one has come forward to challenge what he has uncovered.If what he has found were not true, the Right would have been all over on top of it the second they found out about it, to show him evidence to the contrary. The evidence that this election was stolen, is overwhelming. You can pop off all these buzz phrases all you like, and it's not going to change reality, or the evidence.

    So for you, I did show figures, charts, and presented eyewitness testimony that this election was stolen. And that proves it was stolen.
     
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    I stated two, for which you continue to prove you know you have no effective rebuttal.
     

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