Stop mentioning suicide as if it is caused by being transgender

Honestly, I don't have any skin in the transgender movement. I don't see the law as discriminating against trans people the way it did against same-sex marriages. Yes, there is a cultural element involved here but that's not really the purview of the law. I do not see transgender people as oppressed because I do not see trying to make the law pretend that gender doesn't exist as a sensible or logical thing. I don't support men on women's only sport's teams and I'm not a supporter of surgical or chemical interventions in children under 18.

All that said, if I hear one more moron bring up suicide as a negative part of being transgender, I'm going to flip my lid. This is essentially like saying "Because there are a whole bunch of people who have such a subjective immature problem with transgender people and therefore treat trans people in all manner of despicable disgusting ways, the fact that they then may contemplate suicide after that kind of sustained treatment is a negative of being trans".

NO. That is a symptom of living in a society with deplorable *******s. That is the fault of the deplorable *******s, not the person who is transgender. Don't ever forget it. It is not a criticism of trans folks, it is a criticism of whichever maggot feels such a need of verbalizing their disdain with another person's sexuality that that other person may feel shame and stigma to the point of thinking about ending their life. Your inability or unwillingness to accept them at least on a human level deserving of basic respect is not a criticism of THEM, it is a criticism of YOU. Where it me I would be embarrassed to even bring it up for fear of what that would say about me and the type of person I am.

 

You say its a symptom of living in a society with "Deplorables". I say its a symptom of having a mental illness and getting upset with those who don't want to play gotcha gender games with a group of people who are miserable on the inside more often than not and are looking to punish people who don't go along with all the wackiness of said mental illness like:

• Drag shows for children
• Sexual content for children under the guise of "education" because the content centers on trans sexual content
• Pro noun demands with doxing for those who don't follow and attempts at getting people fired
• sexual operations for children who can't consent to drinking alcohol or smoking cigs but can consent to having their genitals mutilated.

We've gone far beyond the days of "we just want tolerance and respect". If transgenders and their allies didn't frame every disagreement with a trans policy as "bigoted hate", we would have a much more accepting mass audience IMO.

 

I think there is an element of depression with people who struggle with being trans and for some could lead them down a path of suicide. Are there those who might go down the path of suicide based on the way they are treated? Sure, no doubt. But I don't believe all suicides of trans can be blamed on how they were treated. That's simply not a fair assessment.

 

But That's where sin always winds up. If you won't participate it makes them feel bad about themselves and that means you become the villain or they just get more and more miserable. This is why so called affirmative care is such a disaster, no amount of surgery can fix a head problem.

 

Today, all across the country, horrible things are being said about Jews and I don't see them killing themselves.

The left tells us blacks have been oppressed, marginalized and discriminated against for decades and I don't see them killing themselves.

 

The main part of this isn't really the reasons they might be committing suicide, the main part is: what suicides?

All suicides have vastly increased in the last 15 years or so.

If transgenders 20-50 years ago were 'living in fear and oppression" there would be more transgender suicides then vs now.

My question is: where are these imaginary suicides?

 

Not to mention that "transgenders" have anywhere from 2 to 20 times the mental illness rates of the general population.

While they try to explain away stress/suicide based disorders on "oppression", it certainly doesn't explain why "transgenders" would have 7 times the schizophrenia rate of the general population.

 

So you think the hyperbolized **** you just typed above is common for all trans folks? All trans folks want drag shows for children? The trans kid in high school is concerned with drag shows? Or do you think you're judging ALL trans folks by the manufactured nonsense that anti-trans folks have created specifically to capitalize on the outrage reflex?

 

Good question. I don't interact with many Trans people in my life and the ones that make my radar / news scope are flamboyant and loud, possibly skewing my judgement on said group. However, I don't see an abundance of Trans speaking out on the issues I bulleted.

Again, Ill refer to this "However, I don't see an abundance of Trans speaking out on the issues I bulleted.".

This isn't the normal I want my children to have in their lives:

 

@Junkieturtle
Most people didn't care about it until they started twerking for 5 year olds

 

If I am reading your position correctly, it looks as if you are attributing the high rate of suicide for trans people to people who bullied them. A lot of laymen think of suicide in this manner, but that is not how the psychiatric community views it.

The psychiatric community attributes suicide almost exclusively to severe clinical depression. The term clinical depression is not applicable to people that lets say just had a death in the family and they are depressed about it. This is everyday run of the mill attributable depression, and those people almost never commit suicide. Clinical depression is a much larger pattern, and when lifes predictable downs occur ( and downs happen to literally everyone) they do not handle it well and it sends them into a tailspin. If a girlfriend breaks up with her boyfriend and he commits suicide, that is not the girlfriends fault at all, it is the fault of his clinical depression. If she had not broke up with him, some other negative in his life would have eventually occurred which would have likely caused the same outcome. You could maybe contemplate "well if the timing was different for the next negative event maybe he wouldn't have killed himself at that time" and there is some truth to that, but that is akin to a parent whose child is killed by a piano falling on them feeling guilty because they didn't give him one more hug before he left, thus changing the timing where they would have missed the falling piano. The parent can lament not changing the timing, but ultimately, the child being hit by a piano is not their fault. The same can be said for the person or action that precedes a clinically depressed person killing themselves. That person or action is not why they killed themselves, rather they did so because of their clinical depression. It is far too easy and even common to take the blame away from the person that kills themselves, but ultimately, the blame lies squarely with them and their condition.

If your belief was applicable, then we could look at the subset of people that have the biggest tragedies that happen in their lives and that would be the group with the most suicides, but there is not a correlation to that at all. The correlation is to clinical depression, NOT tragedy or negative things being said to them.

I don't want to make this too long, but it is worth noting that people with clinical depression lack the ability to feel joy, and they are constantly seeking the answer as to why this is the case. If married they blame their unhappiness on their spouse. If they lost a job they blame it on that etc. What they attribute it to is never the actual answer. The truth is, negative things happen to everyone and as such, there will ALWAYS be things to falsely attribute as to the source of their unhappiness. Another thing these folks can choose to blame is the now en vogue they are in the wrong body. I would venture to say that most trans people have the comorbidity of clinical depression. This is why you have higher rates of suicide both for people that feel trans and don't convert, as well as they feel trans and do convert. The truth is, making that conversion will do nothing to ameliorate the underlying clinical depression. They arent killing themselves in higher numbers because people are mean to them. They are killing themselves because they have clinical depression. It is unfair to attribute their suicide to anyone other than the person that kills themselves.

The whole "13 reasons why" show was nonsense.

 

I would suggest that the unfortunate side effect of not being able to live in the skin your were born into is the mental instability that leads these folks who are terribly afflicted by their own minds to desire not to continue in life. I think that's the pathology we're discussing here.

I don't think that folks who follow transgenderism are choosing to engage suicide are doing so because of any perception of their lives being socially unacceptable, but in their own unwillingness to accept the limitations of their sex. Mind us, not every person who pursues transgenderism ends up in suicide, but a significantly greater percentage of those who do end up there compared to the population as a whole.

 

Suicide is a complicated issue. Unfortunately, we treat depression with drugs that list "Suicidal thoughts or actions" as side effects. Happy, self-confident people are least likely to contemplate suicide. Perhaps telling young people that they were born defective and require drugs and surgery to "fix" is not a good idea. No matter how aggressive they are in changing their image, they will never be the other gender.

The image of femininity/masculinity is a social construct. Here in the US, a dress, long hair, long eyelashes, and makeup are considered feminine. In other parts of the world, an elongated head and neck are feminine while men wearing skirts are considered masculine.

The deplorable people are those on the right telling kids that they are an abomination and will burn for an eternity if they don't pray the gay away, and those on the left telling kids that they were born defective and require drugs and surgery to fix.

 

You think trans people's higher rate of suicide is attributed to societies perception or acceptance of their choices?

 

I'm sure bullies are the main cause of trans induced suicide. I'm sure it could have absolutely nothing to do with a woman taking off her shirt just to see a bunch of scars and no breasts or a former man realizing he shouldn't have had his penis removed. I'm sure those factors have NOTHING to do with anything. its all bullies faults.
Also where are all these trans being bullied events happening besides in the imaginations of libs?
Any news that has to do with discrimination of trans is INSTANTLY reported (except for when they do mass shootings, then its the exact opposite)

 

That’s an easy question, lots of trans people get bullied on the streets or in their daily lives, kids in school in particular since school is already full of kids bullying others as it is.

As for trans people in the news but not for shootings supposedly, I’m sure you’ll be the first one to launch a thread about it here since that seems to be a major part of your personality.

 

It’s from the mental illness that everyone has when you’ve got body dysmorphia. It’s all interconnected. Depression, ADHD and a host of other issues they all share. Why shouldn’t it surprise anyone that they also unalive themselves at high rates.

 

bullies do cause suicides in children, and not just trans, it's sad..... and pathetic really