Stop the lie: Ron Paul loves Israel

"I would want to maintain very close relations with Israel, I want to be a good friend of Israel. I also want to respect them...I do not think the U.S. should undermine their sovereignty in any way. The establishment of Israel came about in a movement called Zionism, and Zionism had two basic principles, one was independence and self-reliance, and I agree with those two basic fundamental premises of Zionism.

These are the same prinsiples that he wants for America. Independence and self-reliance from our government. When did the republican party become the party of government-reliance or as we all know it, intitlements?

He later says-

"I also don't think we should tell them what to do. If they want to have a peace treaty with their neighbor and think they can work it out, they shouldn't have to ask us for permission...they shouldn't have to ask us permission to defend their borders, that should be their business. I also...believe I should not take money from anybody here and send money to Israel....

"The benefit to Israel, first you give money, that implies we own you, and second is if you cut out all foreign aid, Israel comes out ahead because their neighbors get about five times as much assistance than Israel gets....We should be friends, we should trade with them, I would encourage them to become the Hong Kong of the Middle East...have a really affluent society.. to control them...and hold them back, I think that is not necessary....Netanyahu was before Congress this year...he said we do not need American troops to defend our country...Israel can take care of itself and i think we should respect that."
http://reason.com/blog/2012/01/09/ron-paul-i-agree-with-those-two-basic-fu

 

Doubletalk amounting to the destruction of Israel by withdrawing our aid is something akin to saying to Saudi Arabia: we are your friends, we wish you well, we want you to enjoy your houris, copulate with the camels of your choice, carry your korans under both of your armpits and between the cheeks of your buttocks, etc., etc., etc......but, if the Iranian Psychos attack ya (as the Saddam Psycho attacked Kuwait), we'll look the other way, and we want the Iranian Psychos to know that.

 

Interesting perspective though not based on reality.

If the people of Saudi Aribia actually had a voice they would say " AMerica get the hell out of our holy land"

But they dont have a voice....unless of course you count 911

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) them.

Their king asked for our troops to be stationed in his land and that is what matters. That is the whole point of a KINGDOM.. the KING rules.

 

Only by keeping foreign troops in his land so he can keep the populace from overthrowing him. King George had the Germans. Unfortunately for those who believe in the right to rule, he should have made nice with the French as well.

 

I would love nothing more for them to take it out on their own king but they are not. They are taking out on what they perceive as foreign occupiers via terrorism.

Wolverines!

I guess when you’re in a position of power it’s easy to (*)(*)(*)(*) on people who have no power to fight back.

Instead of leading the world by example and showing why freedom and liberty is so important to America, we instead reduce our own freedoms; take away the freedoms of others around world for greed and conquest. Like a great empire would.

We have become the bad guys through ignorance, greed and fear. God help us and only through adhering to our constitution can we repair the damage.

I admit , we have little hope of doing so.

 

If anyone is living in La La Land and denying REALITY its the Liberal Idiots that have the REALITY smacking them upside their heads with a sledgehammer while they're blathering utter nonsense as in denying the SIMILARITY of the Saudi Arabian example compared to what actually happened in Kuwait.

These braindead F-ing Liberals stick their heads deep into their putrescent butts and puke out CRAP about the "GREEDY" AMERICANS HELL BENT ON "WORLD CONQUEST" when, in actuality, for whatever reasons, the bottom line is that America rescues the Islamist Swine with TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DEATHS & WOUNDED OF OUR FINEST with the resulting thanks that the Islamist and Liberal Swine howl & yowl about the GREAT SATAN getting outa their F-ing (F for Fig) Islamist "HOLY LAND".

AND DID THE "GREEDY" IMPERIALISTIC-LIKE AMERICA HELL BENT ON WORLD CONQUEST WITH THE AVOWED PURPOSE OF COVETING ANY OF THEIR ISLAMIST LAND ACTUALLY GRAB THEIR LAND ?????? ALSO, AS IN IRAQ ??????

ANSWER: "F (F for Fig) NO !!!

After rescuing the Islamist Swine with the lives of our FINEST......we let these Islamist Swine revile us......and the F-ing (F for Fig) liberals howl & yowl as a background chorus about how "GREEDY" & IMPERIALISTIC-LIKE AMERICA IS !!!!!

 

Watch it you can get in trouble with the mods for late night rants like this. I know because i have.....

If you are directing this at me, I dont mind and can handle whatever name or label you toss my way. But no point in losing your cool and getting banned.

If you hate me for what I say then please by all means let me have it in my user page and if you cant there send me a tell.

 

The problem is what you say is assanine and patently false about the motivations for American Foriegn policy decisions. You outright tell lies and spread conspiracy theories rather than tell the truth.

 

Thanks for your advice.

But as you yourself pointed out, my wording is such that it is ONLY applicable to you, and others of your ilk ...... IF THE SHOE FITS !!!

DOES IT ???

 

You can call me a liar or whatever name you want. But in the end its just YOUR OPINION.

Thanks for sharing.

 

That i am a liberal? No

But I am convinced that your not open to a difference of opinion and as such will either belittle me or call me names. Both of which I can handle.

I stand my by words. Regardless of your disaproval. I have family and friends that have served in the middle east and all agree that OUR actions promote terrorism more than inaction would.

ANY county can produce a terrorist. And when we are done raping the middle east perhaps we will have terrorist from south america or specifically Venezuela whom its leader has publically said they would destroy America if they could. But nobody cares what they say right now because they are our (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and are currently exporting oil to the USA unhindered. That and there is no Israel in South america.

 

There's a point at which one says to oneself: enough of this %$#&^%* !!!

 

How exactly would Israel be destroyed without our aid? They have nuclear weapons.

 

Nice to know that you support dictatorial rule.

 

Israel's area is 7992 sq.mi (Wikipedia). For comparison: New Hampshire is comparable with 8969 sq mi. (Wikipedia)

One Nuclear Bomb would probably render Israel helpless. A couple of Nuclear Bombs would wipe out Israel as a Nation.

Geddit ?

 

I get that you don't know how nukes work. It would take dozens to destroy Israel.

Even then, Israel would annihilate anyone who attacked them. Its called mutually assured destruction.

Moreso, our aid DOES NOTHING TO AFFECT THAT.

 

I support stability and pro-American Government and I don't care if its a kingdom or a democracy.

I'd rather a pro-US dictator than an anti-US democracy.

What good is Democracy when it means the people of another country will vote to attack you?

Israel was safe when a dictator ruled Egypt.

Now the people of Egypt could vote to go to war at any moment, now Israel is not safe.

What good is Democracy when it leads to instability and war?

 

Cutting our aid to Israel would do nothing more than force them to dismantle their socialist welfare state to continue funding their military.

That's what you Rightists don't seem to get: we subsidize Israel's defense and then they spend more money on socialism. By supporting Israel, you are supporting socialism.

 

So you don't actually support freedom, you just support security. Correct?

 

My regrets. But other than the one line, there is nothing offered in OP in the way of independent thought or opinion. Leaving only Ron Paul's statements on which to comment.

And that appears to be a paraphrasing of American foreign policy since 1948...that is until Arab freindly, Islam apologist Owebama came along.

So what's the point? That Ron Paul stands behind America's historic position or that Kool Aid drinking Owebamaniacs want that to change?

 

I don't care if Ron Paul loves Israel or not, but he appears to be just the latest pol to be cowed by Jewish money and influence. I don't know why the Jews don't just TELL us who our next president is to be.

 

Whoa Dude!
People have strokes and such during rants like this.
Its not healthy...or sane...or truthful...

First of all...the saying "Islamist swine" may have some negative connotations that are unnecessary and untrue.

Perhaps you'd like to explain to all of us exactly WHO your military thought they were "rescuing" these "Islamist swine" from? And whatever happened to WMD? Did we simply forget the REAL reason for the Iraq war?

"Islamist and Liberal Swine howl & yowl about the GREAT SATAN getting outa their F-ing (F for Fig) Islamist "HOLY LAND""

Liberal swine? Calling the USA the GREAT SATAN???
Errr...one wishes to ask Sir...What colour is your sky?
I don't remember any "Liberal swine" let alone ANY American calling America the GREAT SATAN...so who was it?

Names would help...

Dude...I have a feeling you're over-shooting the truth here by just a thousand miles or so...

 

Indeed!
Shouldn't it be more important what AMERICANS think?

 

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

You seem confused and it’s understandable, even one line is a bit much for you so I recommend you read through the thread and perhaps you might get a better understand of the point.

Loong Wrote a very thought out and honest assesment of his view which I do not share but perhaps you do?