Story of 28 "fake" Panfilov solders provoked serious scandal in Muscovy

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  1. litwin

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    one of Panfilov solders was a Nazi (Ivan Dobrobabin) with Soviet Hero´s medal , from beginning it was just soviet literature bestseller , which later became one of the biggest ww2 fakes, it was not even a battle in this day ...why the Muscovites still keeps to old soviet historian fakes?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panfilov's_Twenty-Eight_Guardsmen
    http://www.eurasianet.org/node/74196
    the real monument to fake soviet heroes
     
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    This is not quite true. The fact about battle of 28 panfilovcev was questioned as early as in 1948! But noone questioned about the deadly battles that were near Moscow in 1941. It really took place. And this matters! There were existed a lot of real soldiers who struggled to death like it was described about these 28 Panfilovcev. And this monument- it should be understood as a monument to all the people who struggled with Nazis in Russia near Moscow in 1941.
     
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    do you understand that 28 Panfilovcev is a fiction story, a novella ? totally unrealistic as wrote even your Procurator General of the Soviet Union Andrei Zhdanov , very similar to superman or batman ? what you are gonna go with those Panfilovcev who were not killed in WW2 but survive , some of them became even Nazis?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many Lithuanians happily greeted Nazis and joined them? Tens, hundreds of thousands? So... Lithuanians fought allies on a Nazi side.

    Nice.
     
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    how many the Muscovites joined Nazis?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've run a Google query "how many Muscovites joined Nazis"... None. Zero... Zilch... Nada. Nyet...
     
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    Of course, I know that it is not a true story. Nothing. All those who served Nazis have already been punished.
     
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    You know very well,that all those who lived in Soviet Union considered as Russians from outside. Vlasov army contained not only ethnic Russians, but also Ukranians, Lithuanians and other nationalities. What is more important is that in Lithuania and Estonia now all those who served Nazis are welcomed, while in Russia they have been always punished.
     
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    The Balts were cowards just like Croats and Bosnian Muslims. They give their asses every time someone knocked on the door.
    Countries that no one will take serious not even their allies.

    I mean you never notice anything from them, neither negative or positive, its like they are not even existing.
     
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    Isn't it funny how these Natzi wannabes always reach the surface when someone got their back :)
    Before the balts joined NATO they were like little school girls quite and humble, while now they bark like the biggest dog around.


    Looks like you Russians will have to do some cleansing once more.
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    not true, your PRC love many of them . when it comes to europe , those how fight the Horde we love those who killed civilians we hate... compere with your Stalin lovers , somewhere 80% of mongols juchi , you guys just love him and his dogs even everyone knows how many innocent civilians Koba brutally killed ...

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    why you are not the Hague? 2 Serbian Nazis got finally the great rooms in prison ....
     
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    but why is this case your country acts like a Nokia?

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    one for sure Muscovites scary of the reality ...
     
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    So you mean that you love the people who were in Vlasov army? So you love Nazi who fought against Russia?
     
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    not just Vlasov´s guys, Kiziaks in German army , and many others ...still , zhukov and koba were Nazis too , Muscovite Nazis ...
     
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    Litwin, Nazis were in Germany. In Russia they were communists. Big difference.
     
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    no, Stalinist form of Communism is a pure Nazi ideology
     
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    Disagree, there is even no hint on nationalism in Stalin version of Communism.
     

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