Submarinepainter Party Affiliation

Recently I have been told I waste my vote and should consider abandoning my beliefs and voting for the greater good, some have even insulted me as selfish?
All this based on what? I am independent, small L type, very open minded about social issues but very budget conscious, Pro Ukraine but not fully on board about equipment, thinking the Europeans should be responsible.
I have a really hard time with the left because of the BLM/ANTIFA crime families, who has done more harm than the attack on the Capital and to use their own words a mostly peaceful
Attack!
NATO needs to pay up
we cannot continue to support Unamerican actions
You can call me uneducated, but I know you cannot spend more than you make, by the way the Government makes zero, it has to steal it thru taxes
I am not changing my opinions, but I may change my vote, to a conservative I respect, it will not be Trump!
come here and change my mind, as of now I respect one D and her name is Tulsi.
I supported Ron Paul, My State cancelled him, the Republican party and FNC just wouldn't report until they changed the rules'
(70) Chaos on the Convention Floor as RNC Blocks Ron Paul Delegates, Alters Seating Rules - YouTube
I love freedom, camping, training my grandkids to forage, fish and trap, and I love God.

 

That's what makes you EDUCATED. Not conforming to ALL mainstream beliefs. I don't want to label you, but I do share this philosophy and have been labeled by many leftists I know as a "socially liberal fiscal conservative".
I don't take it as an insult (but I do find labels annoying)
I voted YES

 

IMO, voting your beliefs is exactly what it's about. Not every candidate is going to fit everyone of your beliefs, so you go for the best fit available.

I've been called names, and had what people (here) thought was an insult thrown at me. I wear no label, and there are many things that are situational. That gets me even more names called.

I consider myself Independent, socially moderate to liberal, most definitely fiscally conservative. I believe the government (regardless of political party) has grossly failed the citizens in the use of our tax dollars, and I especially chaff at the idea I am viewed as nothing other than a pocket to pick. I believe in live and let live, 'your rights end where mine begin'. I am not responsible for other people unless I choose to be, I owe no one the sweat of my brow, the only thing that matters is how people treat other people.

 

I don't think it's honorable to consider yourself affiliated with a party.

There isn't any logical consistency among the positions supported by either party.

Anyone whose beliefs align with a party doesn't have a consistent philosophy behind their views.

 

You are not "wasting" your vote. It's worse than that. If you vote for a presidential candidate with NO chance to win (same as if you don't vote), you are helping elect whichever candidate you dislike the most.

Your post is completely misguided idealistic nonsense. You don't vote for "beliefs". You vote for who should be President of this country. You express your beliefs in OTHER ways.

 

Don't fall for his leftist voodoo. The bolded part makes zero sense. If you vote for someone that helps someone else wins?
That's like saying if I buy my coffee at dunkin donuts that Starbucks makes the profit

I'll never understand "DEMOCRAT MATH"

 

Don't listen to idiots who tell you you're wasting your vote. It's your vote...vote however the hell you want and F everyone else.

 

I voted for Ross Perot. I voted for Ron Paul, twice. I vote against incumbents, unless there is a third party to vote for.

I hate being told I'm un American by wasting my vote and helping "their" team.

I want our 538 in DC to re-read the constitution and get back to the business of upholding it, as they swore to do.

 

Many people like to belong. They feel good being part of some group. Thus, they accept the warts affiliated with the group. Look at the rabid fans who support a sports' team. Look at the people who register as a D or R and vote only party lines, no matter the candidate's warts. Look at the people who belong to the PTA, or a labor union, or the NRA. Then there are the religious groups, some very radical. A true independent shuns joining groups as well as group think. I consider myself somewhat of an independent. At one time I was on a bowling team, I quit. At one time I belong to the Lions, I quit. At one time I belonged to a trade union, I quit. And I can watch an NFL game and not care who wins. So, we each decide if we want to be somewhat independent or we want to belong to a group. Whatever your choice is fine with me.

 

Well said! You don't adapt to a political party's beliefs. The political party must adapt to YOURS. So you vote for whichever candidate you believe will carry out more of the policies you believe in. If you vote for a third party (or if you don't vote) you are voting for NO political party carrying out ANY of the policies you believe in.

This is the difference between living in the real world and living in a political ideologue's bliss.

 

I'm a Bears fan, but I'm not fanatical about it. I rarely watch the games. (We watch Red Zone.) If they win, I smile. If they lose, I shrug my shoulders.

I belong to one woman's group that meets monthly. We have no party line; it's just a discussion group.

I don't like to be made to feel like I have to defend the indefensible. Trump supporters look past his flaws but are shocked at the horror of similar behavior from Biden. Rinse/repeat. Biden supporters look past his flaws but are shocked at the horror of similar behavior from Trump.

Melania is pure as the driven snow, but Michelle and Jill are sluts.

It's so irritating.

 

It's no never mind. He supports the duopoly, and preferably the Progressives. of which he has labeled himself. He does carry the party banner throughout most of his posts.

If the Democrats stopped pushing so hard to the left, they may actually be reasonable in the respect of social matters. The Republicans have tripped big time with some recent events, and boy o boy, it's gonna hurt them down the road.

 

Oh! Did I misunderstand him. I think I did. I think he was referring to not voting 3rd party? Man that went right over my head huh?
In my opinion, the only way to get past that 2 party rule is to actually vote for a 3rd party. I will admit, I haven't ever done this (even if i liked them) because I was scared they had zero chance, thereby, adding to the problem (which I fully admit)

 

If all the people who wanted to vote third party just did so, the third party candidate would win. A third party candidate may not get much done, but it would send a powerful message to the clowns wandering the halls of Congress.

 

I started voting 3rd party in 2008 due to not liking either candidate. Prior to that I had always voted Repub.

 

That's basically my story, but I also voted third party along the way. I didn't vote for Bush II's second term, for example. The first D presidential candidate I ever voted for in my life was Joe Biden. I threw up in my mouth a little when I did that.

This country screams for new leadership, but keeps electing very old white guys. WHY?!?!?!?!

 

and that can be the problem with blind loyalty to a party. Also, why so many threads here devolve into "what-about ism".

Being anti-Biden does not make you pro-Trump or vice versa

If enough people realize all of the issues with both parties, maybe some viable 3rd party candidates will start winning and maybe, just maybe, things will actually start to change for the better.

 

We are our own worst enemies

 

You'll never understand math... period! This is not about buying a coffee. It's about electing a President. You'll get a President REGARDLESS of what you do. You're not getting Dunkin donuts no matter what you do. If you insist on Dunkin, you're getting Gas Station Coffee no matter WHAT your preferences are. So might as well order Starbucks even if it's not your favorite.

 

I think this proves I'm not the one having issues understanding MATH
If you care to explain what you mean without being hostile and sarcastic and rude, I'm all ears. I'm starting to think MANNERS might be more of an issue for you than MATH

 

Ummm....I've ALSO been told the SAME exact thing by Repubs ("Righty voodoo"???). I guess you also don't understand "REPUBLICAN MATH"??? Thought I'd give ya the chance to be consistent to call out BOTH sides

 

About 45% of the country is partisan, and will vote their party, no matter how lousy the candidate. The other 55% of us just need to push back and elect someone normal. We won't, though. Politicians are very good at creating meaningless wedge issues based on fringe outliers.

Most people don't care about bathrooms or wedding cakes. Seriously, they don't.

 

Not sure what it is you want me to explain. I used your metaphor. I don't know if I can make it any clearer. If you vote for Dunkin Donuts, when the only REAL alternatives are Starbucks vs gas station coffee, you're voting for the one of the two you hate the most. But you ARE gulping down that coffee no matter what. So you might as well get the one you despise the least.

 

I started my voting life voting Democrat. Then I switched to Republican, then Independent. Finding the right person who comes as close as possible to where I want to see this country go, isn't an easy task. I've voted third party several times.

Some rules need to be changed to allow growth of third parties, but we all know that idea will be effectively blocked by the existing political forces - just like we will likely never see term limits for the congressweasels - they don't want to lose their bennies----

 

We the people are the term limits (or at least could be) if we stopped voting in the same people over and over. To me, it’s never a good thing the have senators or congressmen in office for decades.