Supreme Court agrees to hear Colorado case over Trump's 2024 ballot eligibility

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  1. Noone

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    Whoa, that's bullshit. I'm saying ... in fact I said (read the edit):

    "They put erasers on pencils because PEOPLE ... **** up. But recent reserch has proven that LARGE groups of people, say ... ALL Americans ... make a decision, they, more often than not, make the right one. They did in 2020 and even in 2016. Unfortunately they were overruled in 2016."

    That most of the time Americans have chosen well, evidenced by the fact that we ARE the GREATEST NATION EVER on Earth.

    (Constitutionally, YES, they ARE your peers. I would think you'd know that. Hence my disbelief in your claim of employment. :roll:)
     
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    They aren’t “siding with trump”. Whatever they decide they are siding with the Constitution; you would hope.
     
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    this is coming from a guy who claims Trump is a traitor and he hasn't even been charged with treason. I couldn't care less what you believe or not because I have found your opinions to be completely lacking in any factual foundation.
     
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    She's publicly commented on her thoughts about rape being sexy and a fantasy. She's also said she's a die hard Trump reality TV show fan. But I guess it's common for rape victims to enjoy watching their rapist on TV. And then the only thing she can remember about the events that can help shed credibility to her claim was the outfit she says she was wearing. Saved it all these years as a symbol of her pain and suffering, only it didn't exist when she claims she was raped.
     
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    Look’n in a mirror are ya?


    Make you a deal, don’t bother me I won’t bother you.
     
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    I actually could see Roberts siding with the true believers because he strikes me as no great fan of Trump and MAGA which is why I didn't say 7-2. I didn't listen to it all, but of what I did hear, Murray did a crap job responding. He somehow managed to give non-answer responses (and somewhat off-point ones at that) to many of the justices' questions. On that Kagan he should have turned it around on her (which maybe she was hoping for) but he didn't. He should have said something like "Colorado isn't deciding for the rest of the country. The rest of the country is trying to decide for Colorado."
     
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    Murray did a horrible job because the facts and the law weren't on his side. And he couldn't concede obvious small points because it would destroy his greater argument. So he just kept spitting out platitudes. Was it Alito or Gorsuch, I forget, who asked him the same question four times and eventually telling him he's tired of him not answering his question and if he can't answer it he would prefer he just said so? Everyone was getting fed up with him. This wasn't because he's a bad attorney, but rather his argument wasn't defensible with the history or the law. The most recent Supreme Court precedent says the President is not an officer of the court. So Section 3 doesn't apply unless he gives them a strong reason to break precedent. Then he had no answer for Section 5. He also couldn't explain why Griffin should be overruled. Etc. He really had nothing to say beyond platitudes. He had to make the argument that Section 3 is self-executing, but then couldn't explain why anyone could be compelled to follow Trump's orders after 1/6. If see automatically seized being President on 1/6 because of his speech, then what the hell was our government doing from 1/7-1/20? Mike Pence was President according to Murray, but apparently nobody got the memo until a Democrat official from Colorado decided to become an insurrectionist.
     
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    Nope, I have a duty to call out BS. If that bothers you then perhaps you should refrain from posting BS: when someone constantly claims Trump is a "traitor" that is BS that needs to be called out since Trump has not been convicted of treason let alone charged.
     
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    At least I am honest about how I earned my living.

    OK it’s on. This IS an opinion board and it’s MY opinion that tRaitor tRump is a traitor! 8)
     
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    Section 5 of the 14th amendment prevails... which was done by Congress 2 times and Trump was acquitted...

    The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article (14th amendment).
     
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    It doesn't matter what it sounds like to you or me. He was found guilty. That's how the law works in our Country.
     
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    It was a civil case, they don't find them guilty, it is called liable...Trump was found liable for a defamation case of which he was correct, and the accuser did not know the date, tried to use a dress as evidence that was thrown out, and the accuser deleted evidence.. and the judge let some evidence slip into the second trial while conventionally disallowing the juicy parts of the first trial...

    Toot your horn all you want.... it is being appeal... so the phat lady has yet to sing...
     
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    And right now it appears that answer is colorado you are wrong put Trump back on the ballot 8-1 or 9-0 which should whack a lot of the rest of this lawfare crap out of the ball park as well.
     
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    And when the appeal tells Ms nuttier than a fruit cake to go pound sand?
     
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    Oh, was Trump tried by a jury in Colorado? I love dogs and your picture is cute but not convincing. If a partisan bureaucratic judge in one of fifty states can decide the outcome of a National election, we got problems. If you want to let that snake out of the pen then there are fifty states that will play that game and most are conservative.
     
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    Interesting. Biden's own DOJ appointed special council that found that Biden willfully withheld documents and could be liable criminally but no jury we convict him as he is an elderly man with a "substantial memory loss". Being the Constitutional scholar that you are, do you believe a motion should be moved for the 25th amendment to remove him from office? An elderly man with significant memory loss has the ability to launch a nuclear war at any time......how does that grab you?

    Do you believe as Biden said that he persuaded "Mexico" to allow refugees and aid to flow from the southern border of Gaza?
     
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    Exactly "which should whack a lot of the rest of this lawfare crap out of the ball park as well"...
     
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    You said; "That was never ever proven. It was a partisan accusation."

    My response it was adjudicated by a Colorado judge.
    That's apples and oranges; President Biden IS the Lawful President at the moment. SO, IF, the trumpublicans in Congress want to override the "special counsel" they can impeach him. But since they don't seem to be able to even find the bathroom, that's not likely.

    "Amendment XXV
    Section 4.
    Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
    "

    As when trump was President there is, given President Biden's present health, there is no way, "the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments", are going to act on the 25th-Section 4. AND, given the state of our current trumpublican Congress, "or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", is going to happen either.

    AND, since there is no obvious evidence that President Biden has engaged in insurrection or rebellion there is not way to keep him off the ballot using the 14th-Section 3.
     
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    A no a judge has no such authority if there is no trial.
     
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    It HAPPENED.
     
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    Section 5 of the 14th amendment...

    The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions (including section 3) of this article.

    Not the courts or DOJ... until after Congress removes from office..
     
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    And he is about to be told he has no such power.
     
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    "She", and I don't think so. It looks to me that the Sumpreme's are placing Federal Election authority over State Election authority ;even though the Constitution says otherwise. But, they are the Supreme's so we live by their decision. To your point, I doubt any comment on the Colorado lower court judge will be made in their decision. There's no need to do that to support their decision, so it's doubtful that will attack a judge.
     
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    The trumpublicans in Congress don't breath without trump's permission and they've been consistently blue with embarassment. But, on top of that they can't **** without help. AND, on top of "that", President Biden has done NOTHING to credibly invoke the 14th against him.
     
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    It'll be 5-4 that Trump gets to be on the ballots. I almost wish that they'd rule he cannot be on any ballots because of the "insurrection" fantasy, because then he'd go home to Mar-a-Lago, complain in relative silence, and play golf for the rest of his life.

    Then and only then, Republicans might tear themselves away from their all-absorbing stock market pursuits long enough to find someone worthwhile to put up against the radical, America-hating Left (Joe will bow-out in August for "health reasons", "family", or something else). Don't worry, though... Trump will run; Trump will be trounced in November; Trump will go home to Mar-a-Lago anyway....
     

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