Sure you heard this before but ...

... is this really a stupid question? I don't mean to be politically incorrect, but I am VERY curious. Fully gay men don't sleep with women. And fully lesbian women don't sleep with men. But, pardon my ignorance, I think it is possible that a masculine lesbian sees the woman in the feminine gay man at sex, and a feminine gay man sees the man in the masculine lesbian at sex. Why does such sex still never happen?

 

There are many questions and answers out here. I think some expert might be able to sort out more of the 'nuances' of human sexuality which actually exist.

But one thing is certain: Heterosexuality (in the classic sense) isn't all that exists.

 

Because a "fully" lesbian woman likes boobs and vagina, and a "fully" gay man likes penis. I guess it doesn't need any more explaining than that.

 

I kinda guessing it's because people who are exclusively homosexual are only sexually attracted to their same gender.

 

I suspect it happens all the time. 10s of 1000s of homosexuals who have instead chose to enter heterosexual marriages. Likely viewing the creation of a family to be more important than their sexual gratification. Feminine men and masculine women make great couples.

 

You really don't know anything do you?

 

In Dixon's world there are tens of thousands of feminine gay men copulating with tens of thousands of masculine lesbian women and going as far as to marry them and have children, whilst simultaneously suppressing their natural urges and never having the kind of sex/relationship they naturally desire.... Yep. All the time.

 

Most lesbians I've known don't seem to like men very much.

BTW, somebody told me the star of the TV show 'White Collar' is gay. If that guy can be gay, anyone can.

 

They don't like them 'sexually'... and most guys you know, probably are only interested in them 'sexually'. Not much to build a purely platonic relationship on, that's for sure (which is all they'll get).

Whatever.

 

No, the feminine gay men and masculine lesbian women just seem to make particuliarly compatible couples. Most end up in marriages with a heterosexual of the opposite sex.
And like I said, homosexuality is a human invention. This notion that sexuality is some kind of fixed and unchanging characteristic, fundamental to the individual and determinative of behavior, just doesnt exist.

 

Every lesbian I know USED to be a heterosexual.

 

That seems amazing; can you prove that?

 

I dont hang out in the same circles as you Johnny. Were talking 4 out of 4 lesbians. And in general it seems that lesbians havent bought into this "born that way" theory like most gay men have. Sexuality is plastic, evolves over time to adapt to their present situation.

...the emergence of "plastic sexuality," "confluent love," and the "pure relationship" as democratic and desirable alternatives to a sexuality harnessed to reproduction, love based on addictive or co-dependent relationships, and the rights and obligations of traditional marriage. The separation of sexuality from procreation entails its freedom from heterosexuality and its emergence as an individual attribute, something individuals can develop, enjoy, change or project as part of their changing definition of the self. Sexuality becomes plastic because the self itself has broken the bounds of traditional institutional expectations and it is now free to constitute and reconstitute itself in a series of narratives answering to nothing else but the growing freedom of individuals to develop their potential.
http://www.colorado.edu/Sociology/gimenez/work/GIDDENS.TXT

Its queer theory. Michel Foucaults all sexuality is learned. More of a sociological perspective.
You are an Andrew Sullivan, "Virtually Normal" homosexual. For you, the APA, those who define and treat mental disorders are the experts. Theyve all convinced themselves they were born that way.

 

You don't know what my "circles" are... just as I don't know yours. But you sir, are no 'expert' on homosexuals or homosexuality, that is glaringly evident. Your ignorance and homophobia expressed is surpassed only by your lack of true reason in these matters.

You have NOTHING to back that up. (I really wonder what those 4 "lesbians" would testify to?)

dixon, stop making things up, and be reasonable.

BLAH and BLAH... (anti-homosexual, homophobic rhetoric...etc.)

Don't buy it or tolerate it folks.

 

Lesbians love me. I have a group of Lesbians who like to invite me to thier parties. They can get pretty brutal because the Lesbians I know love to rough house. It's like a room full of adolescent boys wrestling whe they get tipsy

I asked them one time why it appears as though they don't like men. I mean gay guys love women...

The answer I was given emphasized two points.....

One, that Lesbians hate straight guys who think they're gonna want to have a threesome.

Two, they said they really can't put thier finger on it, but sometimes feel threatened by men.

Oh well...that's just what I was told.

 

I would respond in kind, but would be summarily banned if I did, so I wont.

 

Just to put a name to what you label as "anti-homosexual, homophobic rhetoric..."

Anthony Giddens, Baron Giddens (born 8 January 193 is a British sociologist who is known for his theory of structuration and his holistic view of modern societies. He is considered to be one of the most prominent modern contributors in the field of sociology, the author of at least 34 books, published in at least 29 languages, issuing on average more than one book every year. In 2007, Giddens was listed as the fifth most-referenced author of books in the humanities.[1][2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Giddens,_Baron_Giddens#Self-identity

Seems odd coming from you.

"The separation of sexuality from procreation entails its freedom from heterosexuality and its emergence as an individual attribute, something individuals can develop, enjoy, change or project as part of their changing definition of the self.".

Isnt that exactly what you fight for in gay marriage?

 

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The lesbian woman who isn't sexually attracted to men nor wishes to have heterosexual intercourse would not make a good partner for a gay man who is neither sexually attracted to women nor wishes to have have sex with one.

What planet do you live on?

 

You do realise that "being" with a member of the opposite sex (everything from a relationship to intercourse) does not necessarily make a person heterosexual right? Acts alone do not define what a person "is", and it's well known that many gay people go along with or attempt the societal "norm" of heterosexuality before realising or accepting their real sexuality. Well known.

If you're trying to prove being gay is a conscious choice with your anecdotal stories, you're failing miserabley. Because I highly doubt that's what your "lesbians friends" have told you.

 

I actually agree that sexuality is based on a "sliding scale" and is fluid to a degree. But think of the time in your childhood/preteen years you choose to be heterosexual, and you'll realise this is how the majority of self-identified gay people grew up... that is was completely natural to them. Whether or not it's the product of nature or nurture is irrelevant. I know quite a few gay men (more than 4) who would NEVER want to be with a woman, the thought repulses them. For them, that would be completely against their nature.

 

Since you brought it up, care to explain what relevance if any the nature/nurture choice/not a choice arguments has on same-sex marriage?

Bearing in mind no one here has actually said "LOL DEY WERE BORN THAT WAY STOOPID!!"....

 

The difference being that you'd resort to homophobic name-calling against his actual or Dixon-perceived sexual orientation, whereas he's calling you out for what you are. Big difference.

It'd only be comparable if he'd resorted to insulting your sexuality...

 

You would need to ask Johnny. He is the one who has such a tight hold on his beliefs on nature/nurture and homosexuality. My comment was in response the the claim that most lesbians hate men. Most, self identified lesbian women also have sex with men

 

LOLOLOL!!! Johnny has admitted his sexuality. I am calling him out for what he is. Revealing, pointing out someones heterosexuality, and no one would bat an eye. Point out their homosexuality and everyone perceives it as some terrible insult. The ladies doth protest too much, me thinks.

 

It seems to go beyond that. Most lesbians I've met (and I've met quite a few) seem to be damaged in some way. I wouldn't call them man-haters, but most don't feel comfortable around men. Perhaps it's that they believe - as you say - that men are only interested in them sexually which is a complete turn-off to them, although I haven't seen that.