Surface To Air Missiles Arrive On China's Island Outpost In The South China Sea

The first steps to fortify China’s growing island empire in the South China Sea are underway as a pair of HQ-9 missile batteries have appeared on Woody Island, located in the northern portion of the South China Sea. This is the same highly developed island that has received major airfield upgrades and J-11 fighter aircraft recently.

The imagery, which Fox News obtained from Imagesat International and the Pentagon confirmed as legitimate, shows a series of vehicles arrayed along the island’s northeast coastline. These vehicles appear to be transporter-erector-launchers, radar and a slew of support vehicles for the HQ-9 “Red Banner” air defense system.



http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/surface-to-air-missiles-arrive-on-chinas-island-outpost-1759519656

China continues to be emboldened, no doubt terrified by Obama.

They very conspicuously are displaying these missiles, and they are likely to end up on other artificial islands China is making.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/china-lands-plane-on-growing-man-made-island-airbase-in-1751088977

 

Doesn't look like the chi-coms are paying any attention to Obama.

In fact it looks like the chi-coms have no plans of leaving their little island that they created.

 

Next step the moon.

 

Apparently there isn't much to be worried about with Obama.

I wonder how long until they start threatening commercial aircraft.

 

That's OK because when we get a real President in office then we can just help Japan build islands off their coast near China and then put a bunch of artillery on them.

 

I can see someone like Trump threatening to do just that.

 

Woody Island is inside China's internationally recognized EEZ. It would be like the US putting SAMs on Midway.

 

Its an up armament to prevent observation aircraft from being in the area, and other islands, including China's man made ones are likely next.

 

And? It's their island. They can station whatever they want on it.

 

Mindless partisan drivel. As if having someone else as president would have prevented the Chinese from doing this, because ... magic!

And as another poster has pointed out, this particular island is firmly China's. It's not disputed; it's theirs. So on what basis would your magical, imaginary "real" president have prevented them from doing this?

 

Personally, I really do not care what they do with this island.

So they pumped some sand and made an island. Big whoop-de-doo. Ask Japan how much good all of their little island fortresses did them during WWII.

Here are some simple facts. Maintaining equipment and personnel on such conditions is very expensive, and very rough on both. There are reasons why deployments to such locations in the modern age are relatively short.

I would love to see what happens to these islands after a few typhoons tear through them.

 

Yep. Plus the islands are pretty small, and obviously in a known location, with not much space for any defense in depth. Seems like it would be pretty simple to paste it with a volley of cruise missiles or cratering bombs, and all that expensive gear is stuck on the ground at least temporarily.

 

I do not even look at that.

Trust me, I have maintained military equipment on similar conditions, on much larger land masses. Both in the Middle East, and in Okinawa. High heat and humidity plays havock with military equipment, greatly decreasing equipment up-time, and mandating more expensive repairs more frequently.

Not to mention that this island has an altitude measured in meters. Just thinking of being there when the first typhoon or tsunami sweeps through literally gives me the cold chills.

And these are man made islands, they are not natural. So it is going to be a constant battle to keep these things stable against errosion and the normal tidal action on the sand that makes them up. I bet that if they stopped their work on them for 5 years, 70% of the islands would return to the sea within 10 years.

Myself, I say let them station as much as they want here. I bet this is already turning into a big budget black hole for China, and there is absolutely no future projections to ever regain the money they are dumping into this. And it is not even a very effective use of resources either.

But I guess it is better for us if they dump more and more money into this. At least for China, it is harder to sink then their aircraft carrying missile cruisers. And we will not even have to worry about destroying it, just wait for mother nature to do it herself.

And wait for the message that AF is out of water.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...a-puts-surface-air-missiles-woody-island.html

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Vietnam claims Woody Island to, don't they?

 

China has controlled it since 1956, the Vietnamese claim didn't begin until the 70's. Why should it even be acknowledged?

 

That was after WWII. Here is what Vietnam claims and has the backing to validate their point.




Vietnam's response to China's claim is that Chinese records on Qianli Changsha and Wanli (*)(*)(*)(*)ang are in fact records about non-Chinese territories. For example, Qianli Changsha and Wanli (*)(*)(*)(*)ang were referred to in the ancient Chinese texts Ling Wai Dai Da and Zhu Fan Zhi as being in the Sea of Jiaozhi, Jiaozhi being the old name for a Chinese province in modern-day northern Vietnam, or as writings on foreign countries.

Vietnam's view is that the Chinese records do not constitute the declaration and exercise of sovereignty and that China did not declare sovereignty over the Spratlys until after World War II.

On the other hand, Vietnam claims the Spratlys based on international law on declaring and exercising sovereignty

Vietnamese claims that it has occupied the Spratly and the Paracel islands at least since the 17th century, when they were not under the sovereignty of any state, and that they exercised sovereignty over the two archipelagos continuously and peacefully until they were invaded by Chinese armed forces. In Phủ biên tạp lục (撫邊雜錄, Miscellaneous Records of Pacification in the Border Area) by the scholar Lê Quý Đôn, Hoàng Sa (Paracel Islands), and Trường Sa (Spratly Islands) were defined as belonging to Quảng Ngãi District. In Đại Nam nhất thống toàn đồ an atlas of Vietnam completed in 1838, Trường Sa was shown as Vietnamese territory. Vietnam had conducted many geographical and resource surveys of the islands. The results of these surveys have been recorded in Vietnamese literature and history published since the 17th century. After the treaty signed with the Nguyễn Dynasty, France represented Vietnam in international affairs and exercised sovereignty over the islands.

The Cairo Declaration, drafted by the Allies and China towards the end of World War II, listed the territories that the Allies intended to strip from Japan and return to China. Despite China being among the authors of the declaration, this list did not include the Spratlys. Vietnam's response to China's claim that the Cairo Declaration somehow recognised the latter's sovereignty over the Spratlys is that this claim has no basis in fact

Champa historically had a large presence in the South China Sea. The Vietnamese broke Champa's power in an invasion of Champa in 1471, and then finally conquered the last remnants of the Cham people in a war in 1832.....snip~

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute

 

How the hell can Vietnam claim those Islands were their sovereign property during times when there was no Vietnamese sovereignty?

 

This is how.

1870– British naval captain James George Meads established the micronation The Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads.
1883– When the Spratlys and Paracels were being surveyed by Germany in 1883, China issued protests against them.[37]
1887– The 1887 Chinese-Vietnamese Boundary convention signed between France and China after the Sino-French War said that China was the owner of the Spratly and Paracel islands.[37]
1900– Colonial French Indochina asserted that the state Bac Hai Company had exercised Vietnam's sovereignty in the Spratlys since the 18th century.[86]

1951 At the 1951 San Francisco Conference on the Peace Treaty with Japan, the Soviet Union proposed that the Spratlys belonged to China. This was overwhelmingly rejected by the delegates. The delegates from Vietnam, which at that time was a French protectorate, declared sovereignty over the Paracel and the Spratly Islands, which was not opposed by any delegate at the conference. China did not attend the conference and was not a signatory of the treaty......snip~ same wiki link.

China refused to Attend, didn't they?

 

actually I think woody is not man made,(unless you refer to spartly) its there since the beginning,(since military garrison on that island since 18th century) its largest island in parcel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Island_(South_China_Sea)

 

actually during 50s North Vietnam, aka the commie one didn't claim the island and recognize china control over parcel, however after veitnam war, Vietnam retract their words and claim the island base on S.vietnam claims before Vietnam war.

Taiwan also claim mainland as part of Taiwan too till this day you know what they said controlling is 90% of possession.
I'm more worry about spartly then parcel, parcel is close to china mainland and china has control for long time not much we can do there, while spartly is much closer to ph, malasia, if china has control all spartly and militarize it, then SCS will be wedge between northern parcel/china mainland and southern spartly. then china will have base cover entire SCS

 

1951 At the 1951 San Francisco Conference on the Peace Treaty with Japan, the Soviet Union proposed that the Spratlys belonged to China. This was overwhelmingly rejected by the delegates. The delegates from Vietnam which at that time was a French protectorate, declared sovereignty over the Paracel and the Spratly Islands, which was not opposed by any delegate at the conference. China did not attend the conference and was not a signatory of the treaty.....snip~ same link

Japan just gave some of their Coastal Ships to Vietnam. As they updated their Navy. Then there are all those others and their claims. China's argument about boxing them isn't realistic anyways.

Doesn't say anything about Vietnam ever detracting their words.




The Spratly Islands dispute is an ongoing territorial dispute between Brunei, China (People's Republic of China), Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam, concerning ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands and associated "maritime features" (reefs, banks, cays, etc.) located in the South China Sea. The dispute is characterised by diplomatic stalemate and the employment of low-level military pressure techniques (such as military occupation of disputed territory) in the advancement of national territorial claims. All except Brunei occupy some of the maritime features.

1961–63 South Vietnam established sovereignty markers on several islands in the chain.

1975 The unified Vietnam declared claims over the Spratly Islands.....snip~ same wiki link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute

 

Laos assures US it will help counter Chinese assertiveness

The prime minister of communist Laos assured U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Monday that this small nation will help counter China's assertiveness in the South China Sea.

Laos this year takes the rotating chairmanship of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, with the group's heads of state scheduled to hold a special meeting next month in Sunnylands, California, at the invitation of President Barack Obama as part of his foreign policy to reach out to the region as a counterweight to China.

Prime Minister Thongsing Thammavong "was very clear that he wants a unified ASEAN and he wants maritime rights protected and he wants to avoid militarization and avoid the conflict," Kerry told reporters. "And that will develop as we go into Sunnylands, and there will be a greater, I'm sure, articulation of that unity going forward."....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/laos-assures-us-help-counter-chinese-assertiveness-080159765.html

 

Don't (*)(*)(*)(*) with the Laotian Navy on the high seas. They are just as capable as the Mongolian Navy.

 

And, its a provocation and escalation.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...s-to-contested-island-in-south-china-sea.html

Of course, nobody expects that cuck Obama to do anything about it.

To be clear-I understand exactly why China is so emboldened.

 

You have yet to explain what a real not-Obama leader would do about it. Please enlighten us.