Syria - Tucker Nailed It

Absolutely loved his proposed Amendment. Yes when both sides agree like this beware. Thanks for sharing.

 

Interesting report, and it fits right in to Tucker’s doubts about this latest attack. My doubts as well.

 

It was Assad who destroyed most of ISIS. After arming and supporting ISIS for many years we helped out in the latter part of the war in an effort to cover up our dirty deeds. (and because ISIS went off its leash and went into Iraq).

There are various other groups such as Al Qaeda (the largest) and others of the same ilk. We are still buddy buddy with them. We have engaged in various propaganda efforts such as the "white helmets" - Al Qaeda affiliates - in order to demonize Syrian army who is fighting for freedom from this Islamist filth.

Filth that we seem to love.

 

My amendment would be that if they vote for an intervention into someone else’s civil war, that they be given a rifle and lead the way into battle.

 

I think we can all agree that the proliferation of chemical weapons and their use is unacceptable. I actually wouldn’t oppose some sort of action against Assad if we could be sure he did it. But we have been given no proof of that, and it makes no sense that he would do that, while it makes A LOT of sense why the rebels would do it.

 

I think “buddy buddy with AQ” mischaricterizes the naïveté and incompetence that got us involved in this conflict in the first place.

 

Yeah, I myself I'm on the "It doesn't matter who did it, it just matters that the material is out there." It's the material that begets INTL response, as well as the chaotic unsettling from a lack of government rule due to the war. I wouldn't mind an INTL response on a united front, provided we strategize the future of Syria. But I have no intentions of siding with either side. Frankly, I wanna take both out.

 

Well I wouldn’t mind taking them all out with some sort of “bad guy death ray” from the starship Enterprise, but in the real world, we would have to give up sons and daughters to wipe out all the bad guys on both sides. I’m not willing to do that for Syria.

That’s just not worth it.

 

It wasn't naivete. We knew exactly the kind of scum we were dealing with. In early 2012 - just after armed insurrection broke out - the DIA put out a document stating that the "insurrection" was headed in a sectarian direction with Al Qaeda, Salafist and Muslim Brotherhood being the main players.

Not that they needed the DIA to tell them this... every journalist on the planet who was on the ground there knew this. Even the NY-Times did quite a bit of reporting on this and then promptly forgot their own reporting when things got out of hand - ISIS went into Iraq in 2014 - and this necessitated the "moderate rebel lie".

VP-Biden gaffed answering questions after a Harvard lecture and stated defacto that there were no moderates in the rebel opposition.

This is a Christian newspaper talking about the plight of the Christians in 2011 prior to armed insurrection breaking out. https://www.christianpost.com/news/...om-anti-government-protestors-in-syria-50104/

The early protest movement as peaceful but then it was quickly taken over by the radicals - who were telling Christians to either join the protest movements or leave the country. Even the they were already starting to persecute Christians.

Our wise leaders thought that helping these nutjobs to set up a "Salafist Principality"

Oh happy day.

The reason Assad was not usurped by his own people is because the alternative is far worse. It is the people of Syria fighting for Assad that are the "moderates". They want to keep their individual liberties and do not want strict sharia/theocracy.

Syria - unlike most of the other Muslim nations in the ME was a "Secular" nation. There were Christian Churches and freedom of religion. Unlike El Saud who hates this. There are Christian Generals in Assad's army.

Women drive cars and wear skirts and proper bathing suits. There is drinking alcohol and dancing in bars. Unlike El Saud - the Orwellian big brother police state which Sharia police around every corner monitoring behavior. Children were not taught to hate Christians and Jews in school - unlike El Saud.

The people of Syria wanted to keep these freedoms. We were supporting the Jihadists who wanted to take them away.

It is fken disgusting.

 

I appreciate your lengthy, well referenced reply. My desktop computer is down, so I’m using my phone, so it forces me to be brief.

I agree with you that there was plenty of intelligence about the true nature of the rebels. I don’t mean to turn this into an excuse to slam President Obama. I think he was an intelligent man, but I also think he was human, given to his own personal biases. Bottom line, I think he believed what he wanted to believe, regardless of the intelligence. This, IMO, was a mistake. I think he envisioned an end to the Assad regime, replaced by a nominally benevolent and democratic government that would be pro-western. I believe his own beliefs predisposed him to disregard intelligence to the contrary. And, unfortunately, presidential aides and advisors are often given to telling a president what he wants to hear. Whistle blowers in the intelligence community have reported this in the past, and it wouldn’t surprise me if this was also the case in his administration.

I don’t believe he knowingly helped AQ or ISIS. What I think is that he ENABLED them unintentionally because, in the final analysis, he believed what he wanted to believe.

I agree with the rest of your reply. Assad is a brutal dictator, but he has run Syria as a secular nation in many ways. There are way too many Islamic radicals among the rebels to place any faith in them.

 

Agreed. A far more realistic US foreign policy is one in which we recognize that sadly, sometimes bad guys do win. And it's about finding ways to neutralize or co-exist with the bad guys. Not every dictator need be opposed, just managed.

 

Agreed. In some cases, the best thing is to manage the dictator, and this is the case in Syria. For as bad as Assad is, there is good reason to believe that the alternative would be worse - quite possibly much worse.

 

The more I observe US news/international news, I think the most important quality of a commander in chief is the ability to process information. In politics(both international politics and national/local politics), the situation changes rapidly by the hour, day, week, etc. It's the ability to process information and to be able to do so without bias/emotion that makes a good leader.

While humanism is an excellent guiding principle for a sound leader in the 21st century, I think that the cold ruthlessness of the 20th century is sometimes needed as well. A healthy blend of the two ideologies.

 

Just a few additions and one correction. It is proper to use the term "Islamist" rather than terms like radical Islam. The reason for this is that radical Islam has no real specific meaning. The term Islamist is specific. It is a person who wants to force their religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law).

Islamist's "HATE" individual rights and freedoms. They HATE "Secularism". (a non theocratic society). This was the whole "Call to Jihad" in Syria- the fight against Secularism in a Muslim nation.. This is an anathema to Salafist ideology. Sure there are different levels if nuttery but ... bottom line - they hate the main principle on which this nation (and every other western democracy) was founded - respect for individual liberty. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/...arted-with-saudi-support-for-salafi-hate.html

Saudi Arabia has been exporting this ideology all over the world for decades - supporting and often arming these groups.

What ever Assad was and was not - and he certainly was not some fairy Godmother although there is a whole lot of propaganda out there in relation to Assad as well - this is about what the people of Syria want.

This is not Assad against ISIS/Al Qaeda .. this is the people of Syria against ISIS/Al Qaeda. This is about the over 100,000 people of Syria that have sacrificed their lives fighting for their freedom from the oppressive Saudi inspired extremist ideology.

Biden of course managed to avoid implicating the US here but .. you get the general drift.

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

OK .. so if we were arming only moderates (which is a pile of nonsense) .. who the frick were we arming if there were none ? While all were Islamist's united in turning Syria into a strict sharia theocracy ... there were some groups that were not quite as extreme as Al Qaeda/ISIS. These groups groups however fought alongside under the command of the Al Qaeda/Al Nusra and ISIS.

So in helping these groups we were helping AQI/ISIS .. even if that were only the case which it was not. Biden says Saudi Arabia was giving them arms and Turkey .. well WTF .. those were US arms ... Turkey is a NATO member .. Saud has to account for the end use of all the arms we send them.

There is no way small bands of rebels can fight a NATION STATE .... unless there is massive support from other Nation States. The CIA was over this .. coordinating, training and so on. We just funneled the money through these other states for plausible deniability.

I have a gazillion other links ... there is a reason why folks like Tulsi Gabbard - with 9 other signatories (both Red and Blue) introduced the "Stop Arming Terrorism Act" - it wasn't because we were not funding terrorism. That law existed previously after 911 but Obama repealed it in 2013 (not that we were not already arming terrorists) .. and he repealed it for a reason. He did not just wake up one morning and think Gosh .. I think I will repeal this nasty bill.

Never heard that on CNN, FOX, MSNBC ? go figure

 

Again, agreed. I have no problem with the way we responded to AQ and the Afghan Taliban after the 9/11 attacks. I have no problem with the annihilation of ISIS. I am hopeful for a peaceful resolution to the North Korean nuclear weapons issue, but I’m hawkish if a peaceful resolution doesn’t happen.

But I’m not interested in a useless war that is none of our business. And, I don’t want to be played by people who hate us and have nothing in common with us.

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m worried that we are about to repeat the mistakes of the past ... again.

 

I’ve listened to Tulsi Gabbard on Syria, and she is articulate and spot on.



I’m probably too conservative to agree with her on other things, but I think she is spot on here.

 

Tulsi actually went to Syria.

This guy went to Syria as well.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/virgi...ad-for-saving-the-lives-of-christians/5384338

It is not like this is some big secret - but you would never know it from our lovely propaganda state MSM.

We are fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda in Yemen as well. Horrible atrocities are being committed by El Saud .. Most of the world is in an uproar - over what is happening there .. including our allies like Canada and Britain .. and well friggen everyone. Nary a peep and when they do mention Yemen it is spin, false narrative or complete avoidance of the truth.

 

The trouble with syria today is that obama stupidly opened the door for russia to intervene and now their presence is a complication

 

We don't know anything! We're simply being told what they want us to believe happened, not what actually happened. As I've recently posted on another thread - I saw a couple of kids in tv news reports, albeit half obscured by other kids, who looked in perfectly rude health to me. That entire incident was staged.

 

Kosovo

 

Israel is not real fond of an Iranian ally on their doorstep. They also now have to deal with the destabilization of the Lebanese border

 

Oddly..that's almost identical to what is being reported on RT...directly from the Kremlin

 

But....but....didn't John Kerry do a world tour victory dance after he "negotiated" all chemical weapons out of Syria? I think there's even video....

Well, by golly, there is...

 

It IS odd. And yet, a chlorine gas attack perpetrated by the Syrian government practically the day after Trump said he wanted to get out of Syria is ... dumbfounding.

The other group who has the ability and the motive to do this is the Islamic jihadists who want the U.S. to blame Assad and attack him. They also possess the cold ruthlessness to perpetrate this crime every bit as much as the Syrian government.

 

It's amazing that you aren't even embarrassed a little to be aligned so closely with the policies and statements of the Kremlin