SYRIA VOWS TO ATTACK ISRAEL UNLESS IT WITHDRAWS FROM THE GOLAN HEIGHTS

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  1. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza since they started the war in 1967. They hold the population under military law and in contravention of all international law allow settlement. They will not annex the West Bank or Gaza since this would challenge their "Jewish Majority", I wonder if Micheal Collins would describe the clear colonial aspirations of the Israeli's as "decent"!
     
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    '....and you are to' really is the best you have, isn't it.


    All of this is absolutely fascinating. Really.

    I wasn't aware that the 'founders' were in favour of the sort of mass murdering dictatorships you regularly support, which makes your choice to invoke them to defend your views somewhat odd.

    I was also under the impression that Americans were able to express their views on foreign policy through a range of means, including voting. If they don't want the US to take a particular path they will do something about it as they have in the past. Until then the 'founders' are all dead and the system they set up is delivering its verdict.

    .....this is the point where you start muttering about how the people's will has been subverted or the Jews have fooled/bought off everyone or....whatever.

    Oh, and despite you telling me on another thread that you have been reading my posts you appear not to have noticed one VERY important thing about me. Something so significant that your failure to notice it renders your claim laughable. See if you can guess what it is.
     
  3. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    They are already operating in Syria and have been for years.
     
  4. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    Work to change international law by all means. Until then any land that is taken in war and thereafter retained is considered to be occupied territory and is retained illegally. I have cited the various international laws and authorities concerning this in an earlier post.
     
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    Michael Collins had two things the Palestinian leadership has NEVER had, intelligence and courage. Michael Collins understood that a less than perfect deal was better than no deal or a terrible war. Michael Collins also understood that if the price of an imperfect deal that brought peace & independence was the loss of his life then it was worth it.

    That is why Michael Collins signed a deal that left Ulster in British hands. That is why Micheal Collins signed a deal that left the Irish Free State a Dominion of the British Crown with the British monarch as head of state. That is why Michael Collins signed a deal that left some Irish ports in British hands. That is why Michael Collins signed a treaty that saw the Irish Free State take on a proportion of Britain's debt.

    Finally, that is why Michael Collins fought a civil war against his former friends colleagues in defence of a less than perfect deal.

    Michael Collins was smart enough to understand that the single most important thing he could do was secure Irish independence, even if it was a flawed independence. Michael Collins was brave enough to give his life to defend that flawed agreement because he understood that once independence was gained Ireland could begin to build a nation that could overcome some of those flaws, as it did. Remember his words to Winston Churchill when he left the negotiations: "I may have signed my actual death warrant". He was right, but he did it anyway.

    If Michael Collins was passing comment on the situation in Israel he would shake is head at the failure of the Palestinians to grasp the opportunities offered to them, flawed as they night have been. He would have understood that some doors open rarely and some opportunities have to be taken. They may take generations to come again.

    In short, don't lecture me on Michael Collins. If the Palestinians had produced one leader fit to lick his boots they would be an independent nation by now, perhaps for generations.
     
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    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    It's one of a number of news outlets carrying the same story.
     
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    More meaningless keyboard waffle from the waffling expert
     
  8. Striped Horse

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    "you'll lose".

    No. I won't. Not unless Israel intends to invade and occupy the British Isles.
     
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    Inquiring minds should be know how to use a search engine and conduct research for themselves...
     
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    So, what do you think?
     
  11. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with everything you say and yes if the Palestinians had a leader of his calibre they would possibly have a state by know. I was not lecturing you I was asking you a question which you avoided answering!
     
  12. truth and justice

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    A colonial power from three thousand miles away goes into a population and tells them we are going to take your land and give it to hundreds of thousands of foreigners from another continent and you are to leave and find somewhere else to live. There were no opportunities offered to Palestinians
     
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    No, no, no, yes.

    Firstly, I recommend you read what I wrote again, focusing on the words "in the same way". The point I was making was that Europe was held under German occupation for 5 years from May 1940 until May 1945.

    The confusion, I suspect, derives from the time a region is actually held under occupation. For example, India was ruled and under British occupation (the Raj) for 89 years - from 1858 - 1947, but is now under sovereign Indian rule again.

    Secondly, given the vast plundered financial resources, military weapons technology (and responsible personnel) the Nazis smuggled out of Germany at the end of WWII in order to establish a Fourth Reich based in Latin America --- it's not exactly the theoretical question you may think it is. One has to ask where West Germany (and later Germany) got its massive wealth boost post 1955. The reality is that today the EU IS Germany.
     
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    As I remember the 6 Day War (1967) Israel engaged in pre-emptive strikes against Egypt, the Gaza strip and the Sinai. Syria largely remained largely on the defensive, although they engaged in some air strikes and bombardment. It was the Israeli's who took the decision to fight up the Golan Heights and occupy them.

    Feel free to provide factual evidence if my memory is incorrect.
     
  15. Striped Horse

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    I'm no longer certain this is the case, Mandelus (see HERE).
     
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    I just stated what I thought.
     
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    Interesting ... but Israel is able to defend themself propper and they also have the "Ulimo Ratio Rex" too ... nuclear weapons!
     
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    These Palestinians who did not listen to Arabs and stay behind in Israel, disagree with you. By far and large, Israeli Arabs are happy Israel citizens. In fact, most of Israeli Arabs promise to uproot and move elsewhere, if the area they live in falls under Palestinian control.

    Talk about lost opportunities?
     
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    Seems like you do need your memory refreshed. Israel warned Nassar that if he closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping there would be War. Blockades are considered a act of war, So not only did Nassar close the straights, he mobilized his military on Israel’s border. So Israel struck first.
    Syria largely stayed out of the fight for four days, until the Egyptians told the Syrians that their tanks were about to enter Tel Aviv, that’s when Syria crossed over and try seizing water plants at Tel Dan. They were repulsed, and ended up loosing the Golan.
     
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    There were likely even more "news" sources which assured all of us that WMD would be found in Iraq thereby justifying traitor Bush's war of imperialistic terrorism.
     
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    This I think is the most likely situation currently.
     
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    I don’t think Assad is dumb enough to get provoked into starting a fight he can’t win. The sad irony about all of this, is this isn’t even about Assad. It’s about getting Iran out of Syria, that way a duel threat is eliminated.
     
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    Assad is that stupid? Ha! Precisely what was said about Saddam. As always, not a shred of evidence was presented to confirm that fairy tale and hundreds of thousands died as a consequence. Not only that, several corporate capitalists made BILLIONS in profits because of those lies. It's a good bet those same welfare recipients are the same ones spreading this rumor.
     
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    That fact tends ro be forgotten in thsese debates

    But the UN is intended by globalists to be an intermediate step towards a world government
     
  25. truth and justice

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    But wait for the false flag "attack" by Assad leading to Israel taking more Syrian land fully supported by the US
     
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