Tackling Sea Rise

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  1. GrayMan

    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    The sea is rising about 3 to 3.5mm every year and 1ft in 100 years.
    CO2 caused warming or not, you have little control of what comes. The rise is inevitable but slow and manageable.

    It is easy to tackle this problem if we simply made it illegal to provide building permits near zones that might be gone in 100 years for homes and 200 years for commercial. If you have land that is on one of these zones and you need to build or rebuild then instead the government will buy your land back and convert it to park.

    THE DUMB THING TO DO
    Build an ocean dam to keep back the water. Instead of people moving away from the line we will be faced with a growing problem of greater damage during storms and flooding and eventually a dam that can no longer keep the tides back. Dams don't fix the issue, they just contain it as it grows and eventually overtakes you all with one giant splash.
     
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    Yes, much of the rhetoric should be ignored in favor of logical and positive action. Not building in known flood zones is a good start.

    That said, inevitable is a strong word. We still may have a few tricks. But it doesn't look good. And rising sea levels is only a fraction of the problem.

    Fires, famine and failed crops, water shortages, increased disease and plagues, population dislocations, the loss of species, shifting agricultural zones... there is a lot to think about.

    What happens when the Himalayan glaciers are gone and Asia starts running out of water? This is a major concern right now.
     
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    If by ocean dams, you mean sea gates, they tend to been environmental negatives all on their own even in fair weather. Ignoring all the pollution that goes into making them, they have a tendency to severely interfere with local ecosystems as well as trap heavy metals and other pollutants on the land side of them. I sort of chuckle whenever I hear people talking about global warming destroying the outer banks and such in X hundred years since most of them didn't exist 300 years ago to begin with.
     
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    New York will be a great tourist destination once it becomes like Venice. Imagine those romantic gondola rides through times square instead of sitting in the back of a disgusting taxi driven by some guy who smells like a billy goat and can't speak a word of English.
     
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    Places like the Netherlands are ****ed. They're below sea level, just waiting for it to flow in.
     
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    Wow, so much alarmism, so little clue.
     
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    You obviously have never been to lower Manhattan. The sea level is quite near, and storms have caused damage.
    Miami is another city already built in an area with sea level concerns.
    I agree that when a beach house is destroyed, the owner can get paid, but not rebuild - unless it it is on 10' pilings.
     
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    At 11 inches per century according to the NOAA how long before your Venice scenario arrives? Will it be before the next glaciation? At 33 ft for it will take 36 centuries it become Venice. It is hypothesized we will enter the next glaciation in 4 centuries. BTW: No tidal gauge shows any acceleration in sea level rise and they are the only things used for coastal planning.
     
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    Perhaps we should bring back muscle cars and get rid of those stupid emissions requirements.
     
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    Many of these issues can be resolved with vertical farming. Vertical farms don't require as much water, land, or even light. They also don't pollute the ground water with pesticides. They are not susceptible to sever weather or seasonal changes. Even a blackout of the sun due to volcanic ash or comet debris couldn't blot out the light to these plants safe inside these towers constantly receiving light from LEDs. Unused water can be recycled back to the top of the tower instead of just draining into the ground like irrigation.
     
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    Meaning you have no clue other than buying into alarmist propaganda. Will you be around in 36 centuries to see NY as Venice?
     
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    Obamacare is going to keep me alive for many centuries to come.

    Besides, I don't believe in death.
     
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    It appears that a few buildings will meet the ocean in 400 years with 1ft per year rise. https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/#/layer/...atellite/none/0.8/2050/interHigh/midAccretion

    How long does a skyscraper last?

    Bing: came up with 200 year average, so that fits in with my commercial time scale.
     
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    Uh, no, they can simply abandon their property and government will pay to demolish any existing structures and restore the land to its rightful state.
     
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    And you think carbon credits will solve this how?
     
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    It is not the upper stories but the basements where most of the machinery is that you have to worry about
     
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    ... Or you can take a spacecraft and fly up to the Sun, land at night there, and turn down the heat !!!
     
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    Big storms have already flooded large parts of Manhattan. What happens when sea levels rise and storms become stronger and more frequent?
     
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    Do you think 9 inches by 2100 for an elevation of 33 ft is a game changer? BTW, weather isn't unusual.
     

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