Taliban Use Child Bomber At Start Of Offensive

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  1. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    How many Iraqis did US troops murder then ? You agree that some were murdered. What does ' not many ' mean ?
     
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    Theres no doubt about it. A difficult number guesstimate......100 over ten years maybe.Theres little doubt theyre are violent racists and bordeline psychos in the military but these people are but a fraction of a percentage in terms of the totality of the force that been rotated thru Iraq.

    Hopefully each and every US soldier whos actually murdered in cold blood will be prosectuted to the extent of the law....in fact send them to the gas chamber if you like, if convicted. I have no love for them.
    The fact of the matter is for all the body count folks like you choose to banter about....the true sources of the vast numbers,"insurgents' (or "resistance' are never addressed. The circumstances, the actual "victims",the actual murderers,their petty religious ideology and the clear hated for their fellow man never mentioned conveniently enough -all we hear about is the "(insert number 1-10 here) million Iraqis murdered by the US"
     
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    Highlander is correct. The Lancet study indicates over 1 million EXCESS deaths of Iraqi's since the invasion/occupation. In other words, over 1 million Iraqi's would be alive today, had the US-led invasion not occured. Significantly then, the invasion was the CATALYST for the subsequent carnage.
     
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    False dichotemy.

    The Lancet? OK then...if youd be so kind to explain to us the methodolgy they used to produce their results,its publicly available. It should give us a good indicator to the credibilty of the source. God knows after their autism 'study' they could use some.

    How many Iraqis died with Saddam in control of Iraq? Under the sanctions under which Saddam kept his subjects? Via sectarian violence which had existed in Iraq for decades?

    What a silly notion to think things were fine and dandy in Iraq before the US invaded. Things were exponentially worse.
     
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    You're graspiong art straws to defend yourself from the truth.....American military murdered over one million Iraqis!

    According to UNHCR the oil for food programme murdered another 4 million over the period!

    Stand proud to be an American......you can commit pogroms, rape, assassinate, torture, imprison...with out any re-address to those being de humanised!

    That's a fact to be proud......Ooooh and who got the Nobel prize for peace!

    Bollocks! Speak about hypocrisy...Nobel must be turning in his grave!

    Hail Caesar.....and the fascist state!

    Wonder how much it cost to buy!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    lol....excellent rebuttal.

    Saddam is to blame for every Iraqi death pre and post invasion.
     
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    Talking of false dichotomies...Please state where I said "things were fine and dandy in Iraq before the US invaded".../Coughs...Hmm, that's right, I never did....Anymore Strawmen you feel like inventing? Oh, and things were not worse before the invasion. Here's some facts for you. Since the invasion, infant mortality has increased and life expectancy decreased. Over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed and 4 million displaced. Water borne illnesses have risen dramatically, Iraqi infrastructure including schools and hospitals have all but been destroyed and there has been a dramatic increase in rates of malnutrition. Furthermore the promise of freedom and democracy has not materialized and living standards have gone down. Things as bad as they were for the vast majority of Iraqi's under Saddam, were nevertheless relatively much better than they are now...This is just a fact....Get used to it.
     
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    You just stated 1 million more Iraqis would be alive today if not for the US.

    That must mean they werent dying at all before the invasion, no?

    Sounds pretty fine and dandy to me.
     
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    And shamefully true!

    Bollocks...Saddam doesn't come close to the genocide your degenerates committed and are still committing today in Iraq to mention but only one nation of many!

    But I do notice...even you cannot come close to contradicting the facts of American murder and torture!

    Shame on you....... Shame on your degenerates in the senate!
    Regards
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    PRT Marks Renovation of 106 Ninewa Schools

    May 14, 2011

    PRT Team Leader Christopher Henzel Talks to Qayyara Youth at Ijhala Primary School Ribbon Cutting Ceremony.

    Qayyara, Iraq – On May 14, 2011 PRT Team Leader Christopher Henzel joined the Mayor of Mosul, Hussain Ali Hachim, and Director of the Qayyara sub-district, Salah Hassan Ali, at the Ijhala Primary School to mark the completion of a $5 million U.S. Government-funded project to renovate schools in every district of Ninewa province. The Provincial Reconstruction Team in Mosul partnered with the Ninewa Directorate of Education to develop and implement the project, which was completed earlier this year. The project funded a wide range of refurbishments at 106 schools throughout the province including painting, plumbing, electrical work, replacement of windows and doors, and other improvements designed to complement the provincial authorities’ efforts to improve education in Ninewa.

    http://iraq-prt.usembassy.gov/ninewa/106schools.html

    Pogroms indeed.......
     
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    You are the one tasked with proving murder prosecutor......have a shred of evidence? Nah you dont. You have the self discredited Lancet and its flawed methodology to rest your case on. Good luck. Hope you have a surprise witness.

    Id also suggest you go back and revist some of Saddams greatest hits...theyre still finding mass graves Highlander.

    Best Regards,Mr R.

    Its quitting time here in the US...you know the greatest,coolest place on earth to live...but I look forward to more Saddam apologism tomorrow.
     
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    The methodology was the exact same used in a variety of other conflicts including the Congo that "we" were not involved in...It therefore comes as no surprise that there was no "controversy" with regards to methology used in these conflicts, only when the findings, lets say, became embarassing to "us" with respect to Iraq.
     
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    Another one of your attempts at bayonetting a strawman.

    People like you remind me of 9-11 denialist conspiracy theorists who, to their last breath, attempt to defend the indefinsible...Blind patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
     
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    That would be like blaming the US for the millions of civilians who died in Germany during WWII. I guess the Jews being exterminated prior to our arrival didn't count.

    Civilians die in wars.
     
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    Nope, absurd analogy.
     
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    Exact analogy. You going to blame the US for the civilians who died in Iraq during the war then you need to blame the US for the civilians who died in wwII. Same thing, both totally ridiculous.
     
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    The latter is ridiculous, the former is obvious. There was no UN mandate to invade Iraq so there is no legal umbrella for the perpetrators.
     
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    I guess him shooting scuds at Israel made you happy enough to support a murdering dicator right?
     
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    The US certainly supported him, and that means with the same American taxpayer's dollars that are being shovelled into Israel .
     
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    There was no UN mandate for WWII either.
    And who says we have to have the UN's permission to go to war anyhow. Not allowed to go to war without a UN mandate. That's utter bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Oh noes, Alliances and allies change over time, even more so if Allies invade other nations for their oil and money.
     
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    Very nice attempted segway out of a sticky situation but not so quickly. Youre being highly disingenuous. If youre familiar with the study at all youd know the enormous amount of criticism Lancet drew for their suspect methods,inconsistencies and clear lack of intellectual integtrity.

    Theres far more comprehensive record keeping done which doesnt come even close to Lancet. Only talking point propagandists still rely on that number...so Im not at all surprised.

    The record of murderers are clear ,its the Iraqis killing Iraqis....no question about it.
     
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    2002
    Infant mortality rate:
    57.61 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.)
    Life expectancy at
    birth:
    total population: 67.38 years
    female: 68.5 years (2002 est.)
    male: 66.31 years


    2011
    Infant mortality rate:
    total: 41.68 deaths/1,000 live births
    country comparison to the world: 62
    male: 45.93 deaths/1,000 live births
    female: 37.21 deaths/1,000 live births (2011 est.)

    Life expectancy at birth:
    total population: 70.55 years
    country comparison to the world: 145
    male: 69.15 years
    female: 72.02 years (2011 est.)


    Facts you say?
     
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    Really those Morons compare gaza to a Jewish ghetto in WW2.

    Last time i checked the Jews died after months not after 60 years...
     
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    Yosef Lapid is a moron ?


    Yosef Lapid is a moron ? Is this the sort of anti-jewish sentiment we can expect when the Dutch fascist, Geert Wilders, turns his attention to jews ?
     

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