Taliban will not be allowing girls in Afghanistan to go to college

More deflections from Biden's decision and what's now going on in Afghanistan?

Totally abandoning Afghanistan will do a hundred times more harm to women's rights than the most fundamentalist possible conservative Christian government in America ever could.

You already know this.

 

thanks for telling us

 

How many decades should the USA occupy Afghanistan? In your opinion?

 

Who said anything about "occupying"? They could have just continued propping up the already existing government. Continued to provide a little bit of air support, when needed.

 

Partially true. But the latest Saudi king seems to be secular leaning (relative to previous Saudi governments), despite trying to consolidate more power to himself and acting a little bit like a despot.

Women in Saudi Arabia even recently got the right to drive (though they still need permission from their male guardian to leave the country, and even though the government sentenced the women protesters who had demanded the right to drive to long prison sentences, despite the ban being lifted)

 

SNORT.... There was plenty of criticism AT THE TIME, on both sides, of a deal that left out one of the key components of a potential peace in AF...

I'll let you figure out who that was...

It may have actually been something centered in a decent idea, but like 99% of what that administration did, it was bungled...

 

Oh thats just absurd .. The Kingdom beheaded 80 Shia the other day .. .. A Despot waves his hand and makes some small gesture -- and you think he's gone all secular .. List the differences between "Syria" and El Saud .. and then you will know what a move towards Secular looks like.

 

How's that not occupying?
Americans wanted out of Afghanistan. 20 yrs was way to long.

Anyway, how should we prop up a gov't in Afghanistan?

 

You're viewing this as all black and white.

 

I am not.
How long should we prop up Afghanistan? Why do you keep dodging?

 

Technically they weren't just executed for being Shia, although that was likely part of the reason.

 

We had 20 years to figure out the grey bits. It was time to go. We kick our 20 year olds out of the house, because that’s enough time to figure out the basics.

 

That would still mean the US is a participant in a war, and so a legit target.

 

1500 troops permanently stationed there, and available air support from American bases in Turkey and Saudi Arabia probably would have been enough.

That's really not that much.

 

What about when it comes to refugee migration?

Seems like some double standards exist there, and therein lies a problem.

 

Permanent.
With additional support.

Enough to do what? What is the goal?

 

The one that fled?

 

They had 20 years of war. Constant fear and death takes its toll.

 

That's not precisely what happened.

Trump wanted to get out when it looked like the Taliban might be able to come to a peace agreement with the Afghan government. Biden wanted to get out when it was obvious the Taliban was about to completely take over.

Now what would Trump have done if he had been in Biden's shoes, that we can debate.

 

It fled because Biden refused to give any support and abandoned them. No air support for the Afghan government troops, and what American troops were there were ordered to immediately evacuate, even though they had the numbers to be able to stand their ground.

But you already know this, don't you?

 

Enough that women's rights wouldn't completely go down the toilet.

The democratically elected Afghan government wasn't perfect but it wasn't too bad.

 

Not a double standard from me. I’m having a conversation. I don’t want to be the world’s police force. We get paid nothing for it; we just lose brave young men and boatloads of money.

We are not helping Ukraine, who is helping themselves. We only help people who won’t help us help them. Throwing good money away, IMO.

 

The Biden pull out and flight from Afghanistan and the Biden midnight flight from Bagram was a cowardly and dishonorable disgrace, no matter how you spin it. Biden's running like a rabbit in the middle of the night resulted in 13 times the military personnel killed as had been killed in the last previous year in Afghanistan. Those people falling out of airplanes were in fact left behind and they clearly did not want to stay.

Not tough at all to blame Biden for Afghan's fall. He was in charge. Libs constantly make excuses for Biden. He is in charge. Stop with the excuses.

Sure. Let's welcome more refugees that don't speak English so our schools can become more dysfunctional and those of us who pay local taxes can get to spend more money. BTW, do you pay school taxes?

Comparing a 3 week old war in Ukraine that is being fought against a foreign invader against a guerrilla and tribal war that went on for decades seems like a rather simplistic, if not false, analogy. For the Afghans who considered the USSR and then the US as the foreign invader their will to fight probably will be greater than anything we will see in the Ukraine. The proper analogy between Afghanistan and the Ukraine, is how with wars, the initial good news by the media turns out to be BS. So don't get too pumped up by the reports coming out of Ukraine. They may turn out to be BS. If you want a historical lesson look that the Pre-WWII war between Finland and Russia. Finland exceeded all expectations. Yet ceded territory to Russia. As the Ukraine will likely do, i.e., with the country being partitioned.

 

Then you should have told Trump not to do that. It was Trump's agreement that Biden was stuck with. Indeed, Biden was forced to tack 6 months onto our withdrawal date for humanitarian reasons, if we had gone when Trump agreed to thousands more of our allies would have been left behind.

You already know this.

 

Why this one country? Should we invade Iran? We can’t help people who won’t help themselves.