Ted Cruz Drops Bombshell: Admits He's Not Constitutionally Eligible To Be President

You can't be a citizen of a country without a government and a legal system, lol

 

So what!

He isn't wasting anybody's time, he has never declared that he is running. Besides he can run, he just can't hold the Office of the President.

 

Citizenship is merely a word, in any society, whether there is a govt or not there is membership to that society/tribe/group. That society has a stake on the land that it encompasses.

Read the Declaration of Independence.

It doesn't mean citizen at birth, it means citizen by birth, i.e. jus soli.

It has always meant that

It is only by jus soli.

 

Your definition of "expatriation" is incorrect. Expatriation merely means to throw off ones prior citizenship in one nation for that of another, provided the other govt allows you to join its society.

A person merely has the "right" to leave ones own country/nation, it does not grant the "right" to enter into another nation without that nations authority.

That is a complete mis-interpretation of both Jefferson and the term, expatriation.

So economic refugees out for their own interest are what we should want to come here, so that we can pay to lift them up, all the while we bring our selves deeper into debt and lower our own economic ability, eventually becoming the very banana republic they left.

 

No, we have people wanting him to run, as he himself is yet to even state that he is running. The people that want him to run are the ones that are confused about his eligibility.

 

Our govt doesn't protect anybody's rights. Do you even know what our govt does?

Read the Declaration of Independence

Where in the statutes does it claim persons born outside the US are "natural-born"? The statute merely declares that if a child is born outside the US to one citizens parent the child acquires citizenship once it meets the mandates of the statute, i.e. to live within the US prior to the age of 16 for atleast 5 years and to upon or before the age of 21 take the Oath of Allegiance. No natural born citizen is required to take the oath, only a naturalized citizen does that. Cruz did so when he received his passport at the age of 16.

And what statute declares a person born outside the US to be "natural-born"?

 

Doesn't change the fact that citizenship is a leg concept.

Why? It has no legal weight.

Jus soli is only one Way to become a NBC
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It hasn't.

Or jus sanguinas or both.

 

You're the one that stated WKA says that persons born outside the US are "natural-born" and when shown that WKA never makes that inane claim, you decide WKA is no longer applicable and had no bearing on Cruz's birth. imjusayn

 

Of course it does.

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No legal weight.

Title 8 US code 1401.

title 8

 

I never once said WKA said any such thing.

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Here's a great read for those having such a difficult time with basic 6th grade level civics

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

 

8USC1401 merely declares who qualifies to be a citizen and/or national of the US. No where in any of those statutes does it use the term "natural-born" citizen. The statutes merely recognize jus soli and naturalization (jus sanguinas and immigration) as the 2 sources of citizenship.

 

A citizen at birth is a natural born citizen. It has never has any other meaning. Jus soli is only one way to become one. Jus sanguinas or both are the others.

 

Comments 11 and 20, page 2.

If liers wouldn't lie they wouldn't get caught

Ok? and it means what exactly? 2 lawyers opinions amount to a hill of beans, especially when they are cherry picking their quotes and failing to recognize that the 1790 INA was repealed by the 1795 INA and then completely repealed by the 1802 INA,

I find it odd how they think they can completely dismiss this section from WKA.

So when it comes right down to it, their opinion holds about as much water as a bucket with no bottom.

Sorry, thanks for playing, now try again.

 

A citizen by birth is a natural born citizen. Jus soli is THE only way to become one. Jus sanguinas is a form of naturalization as it is conferred upon after the birth in a foreign country and has requirements that must be met by the conferred or citizenship does not pertain.

 

Jus sanguinas means RIGHT of Blood............

 

OOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKK, so what. Jus sanguinas can be denied if so chosen by our govt. The RIGHT of blood has no bearing without conference, and conference is a form of naturalization without going through the whole process, it only requires that certain criteria be met, like living within the US prior to the age of 16 for at least 5 years and then taking an oath of allegiance to the US prior to the age of 21. We know he received his first US passport at the age of 16, so how did he then enter the US if he held a Canadian birth certificate and no US Passport at the age of 4?

 

It isn't. Jus sanguinas is the other.

a person boarn abroad to a citizen parent is not naturalized. They are a citizen at the time of their birth. Which is a natural born citizen.

 

I don't know when he got his first US passport.... but if he is a Harvard grad with a JD and doesn't know.. he's much too stupid to be President.

 

You in regards to the OP

AlNewman asking

you replying

Why would I be upset for you lying and getting caught?

Because you haven't refuted any made up definition as you claimed.

Please, keep trying.

 

The article I gave you many pages back told you he received his first US Passport to go on a field trip to Great Britain in High School.

What makes you believe he doesn't know he can't hold the office? He has never stated he was running to begin with. Others are wanting him to run. What makes you believe he is stupid?

 

Its been demonstrated over and over that jus sanguinas is a naturalized status. Even Gray in WKA states that as I have quoted it numerous times.

And yet they are naturalized by conference. Do you not understand what that word means?

They become citizens once the meet the requirements set out by the statutes prior to their birth, for Cruz that is the 1940 and 1952 INA's.

 

not sure how you pointing out that I didnt in fact say any such thing makes me the liar. lol, birthers.

of course I have.

 

It isn't. And WKA has no relevance to children born abroad.

They aren't naturalized.

Yes. You aren't using it correctly.

All citizens become citizens once they meet requirements. All that is required for NBC status is either birth on US soil, parents status being irrelevant, or birth to at least one citizen parent if born abroad.

 

Please point out the "made up definition" and where in this thread you actually refuted said "made up definition", comment number and page number.

There is not one single post from you that I can find that shows you using anything of substance for retort, you only continue to parrot that you have refuted the argument. You then go on about creating your own definitions as though they are factual and binding.

You seem more interested in padding your post count then actually discussing anything. We are simply just suppose to take your word for it, that Rahl knows all, yet when shown that Rahl knows very little, Rahl throws out the "allready refuted" whine.

 

WKA does have relevance to children born abroad, it spells out the citizenship laws from the Settlements through the 14th amendment.

So you don't know what Conferred means.

Congress, by conferring citizenship upon the child, is "giving" something to that child that the child may not be entitled to. I'm using the very language as used by Congress and SCOTUS.

The difference is that conferred citizenship can be denied, whereas a natural-born citizen can not have their citizenship denied. If the child born abroad doesn't meet the requirements, his/her citizenship can be denied, thus they are not natural-born. Rogers vs Bellei (1971) While Bellei was born to a US Citizen abroad, he himself failed to meet the requirements to retain his conferred citizenship, and was deemed to not be a US Citizen for not meeting the requirements as set forth by Congress.