Teen turns down plea deal for 25 years in prison, gets 65 years instead

So then the fact is that the "felony murder" actually has little to do with how you feel about the situation.

 

Absolutely.

 

Except it does always happen. If you go 1 judge being fair, means you got an other judge giving black people 40% longer sentences. As a whole, it becomes obviously systematic, since this happens every year. And this trial has all the makings of a black child getting a ridiculous amount of time, as being in convicted that cop shot somebody. It's a kangaroo court. Get over it.

Institutionalized racism giving black people an unfair trial and judgement in 2018 as if it's 1930, is something you're not concerned with?
#whiteprivilege

So you admit you support Lynching parties and racist juries and judges in kangaroo courts. But whine all over the place when people point this out.

 

What if one perpetrator actually deserves it and another perpetrator (same crime) gets off with less punishment. Is that being unfair to the first perpetrator?

 

not sure your point, there is also part of the nation that thinks you do not charge someone for murder when their friend is shot by the police

yes, the boy should of been sentenced for his crimes, no one is saying he should not of been, the crime though was not killing his 16 yr old friend, the cop killed his friend (and it was a justified kill by the cop)

I am one that believe murder is a LWOP offense, I just do not believe this 16 yr old was murdered by the 15 yr old

 

Let's take an imaginary situation. You have ten judge who judge ten white people and ten black people for thievery.
9 out 10 judges will give 1 year of prison for the white people and 1 year of prison for the black people.
1 Judge give 1 year of prison for white people and 4 year for the black people.

You have on average black people getting 20% harsher punitions. Then, there will be people who could say "black people get systematically punished more than white people", which would be in that example totally false because the vast majority would punish black people as much than white people and most black people would get as much punition.

You condemn all judges.

Words have sens, there is nothing institutionnal. It's large scale problem, but no american institutions recognize race as something relevant in a judgement.

If people are actually guilty, no, I would just regret that the rest of the scum don't get as much. If black innocent people are more often sentenced unfairly, yes there is a problem.

We're not on twitter. Oh, I forgot, when you're white, you wake up and you have thougts like "how much evil could I be today".

No. Racist juries and judges could sentence innocent people. You see, you see the world divised between black people and white people, I see the world splited between honnest, valuable people and wicked/criminals.
Acts of people doesn't matter a lot for you, their colour of skin are more important. I see the things in an opposite way, acts matter, colour of skin little, even if, sadly, every multiracial societies for now are total failures.

Slighty yes, but the first perpetrator is still a human waste and don't deserve anything than contempt. If everybody could have the same punishment for the same acts, it would be better, but there is something who would be even better : that they commit no crimes.

 

Juvenile crimes are things like petty vandalism, petty mischief, and perhaps an assault not committed in furtherance of another crime like rape, robbery or burglary.

Juveniles who commit capital crimes like murder, arson, rape, kidnapping and robbery should be treated and tried as adults, and punished as adults.

If it would be up to me, juveniles who commit felony crimes like rape, sexual assault, burglary and robbery would not have their records sealed when they turn 18.

I have zero tolerance for people who cannot or will not respect an individual or that individual's property.

According to the GAO, researchers have estimated varying annual costs of crime, including totals of $690 billion, $1.57 trillion, and $3.41 trillion, adjusted to 2016 dollars.

Given that a Bureau of Justice Statistic study finding inmates released from state prisons have a five-year recidivism rate of 76.6%, the best thing we could do for those who commit a second felony offense is strip them of citizenship upon conviction, give them 90 days to find a country willing to take them, and if none do, the involuntarily deport them to Libya, Somalia, Myanmar or some other choice country.

 

It is possible that the burlglary wouldn’t happen if this kid, or other accomplices refused to join. So, everyone in that group is responsible for the death of their accomplice.

 

There seems to be some miss understanding on what a plea bargain is. A plea bargain occurs when the DA says we will drop or reduce certain charges if you plea guilty and accept our terms. If you say no, those charges are not dropped or reduced so you go on trial for what you were originally charged. In this case, the term for plea charges was 25 years. However, since that was rejected, he went to trial and the sentence for his actual charges amounted to much more. It nearly always does when found guilty. That is why most accept the plea.

 

he should of been clean shaven, looking younger may have helped him, that goatee wont help

 

The kids who shot at the cop is dead. The fifteen year old did not have his hands on a gun. He was charged as an accessory to the 'murder' of his friend, not the cop at all and given a 65 year sentence.

 

I do hope its appealed and reduced

 

yes, many do not understand that the DA's usually overcharge, this way they can usually win a case via plea bargain, thus getting what they originally thought the defendant was guilty of anyways, if a defendant refuses the plea, they risk being found guilty of all they were overcharged with as in this case

 

The cop did no crime at all, and nothing morally wrong. A grand jury cleared him, and there was thus no indictment, and no jury trial for the cop because he was totally justified in his actions according to the law.

 

Yes, he did! If he chose not to join the group maybe everyone would stay home.

 

16-year-old white kid gets 55 years for murder in Indiana and wasn't armed:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/26/felony-murder-teenager-55-years-jail-indiana

The law has nothing to do with race. If you do the act as specified under the law, and it's proven for a fact to a jury, you're getting thrown in the hole.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, none.

 

No, that's not how the code of law reads. All officers of the court followed the law. The reason the cop had to shoot is only a reaction to what the criminals did. They are totally responsible.

 

They all aided and abetted each other in voluntarily putting themselves in the in that bad situation. 1 died, 3 pleaded guilty to murder, and 1 went to trial and was convicted of murder.

Had any innocent person been killed, and all five criminals survived, all five would have been charged with murder regardless of who pulled the trigger.

 

yep, but the cop did kill the child, no one else did it

it was a justified kill, but the cop still did that killing

so why punish a 15 year old that did not pull the trigger when it was the cop that pulled the trigger and killed his 16 year old friend

 

thanks for the link, as I said before, this is not about race, it's about a unjust law

 

Because that's how the legislatures wrote the law, that's how the courts applied the law, and that's how the states supreme courts interpret the law in many states.

And such a law protects the law abiding citizens, which is the primary purpose to have laws.

 

And in this case all participated in burglaries. They were all equally guilty of the crime that led to the death.

 

This was a gang of criminals. Period. They had committed many crimes, one of those that had gotten away was later convicted for another murder.

Why are so many so intent on trying to justify the actions of criminals, thugs, and gangsters?

Oh yes, he was a good boy. That is why and how he was able to spend $250 to buy an illegal gun before this happened. He was a boy scout in training that was led astray on that night.

 

The nicest thing about it is that if the older perpatrators conspire to say the 13-year-old pulled the trigger and he agrees to say that, everybody still goes down.

It takes away the incentive to use the young as a shield for the older ones in the commission of crimes.

 

I have said over and over, the boy needs to be punished for his crimes, what he does not need to be punished for is the cop killing his friend, he did not kill his friend, the cop did

had he just been punished for the crimes he did commit, we would not even be talking about this case as we would all agree then

no one is saying he was a good boy, they are saying this added charge for killing his friend is unjust

what's an illegal gun, every American has a right to own a gun... the crime should be misusing a gun, not the owning of a gun, that is unless you think owning a gun should be a privilege instead of a right?

the cops killing the boy was a justified kill... not something the cop or the other boy should be charged with a crime for the death