Temperature question

Sure.

Medicine is an Art, not a Science.

To prove that Medicine is an Art and not a Science, we need only understand Truth, which is that human body temperature is the average body temperature of any sub-set group of humans.

Which of the following statements is true and which is false?

1) The human body temperature is 98.6°F.
2) The average human body temperature is 98.6°F

#1 is a false statement, while #2 is a true and accurate statement.

There are many people whose normal body temperature is 97.1°F.

Should they get a bacterial or viral infection, their body temperature might increase to 98.8°F, so they actually have a temperature, but their temperature is with the range of 95% of people, so many would be misled into believing they didn't have a temperature, when they did.

Some people who have bacterial/viral infections don't experience temperature increases, or only mild increases, because the biological and physiological responses to infections, diseases and illnesses is not the same for every person, which occasionally leads to a misdiagnosis or a non-diagnosis.

 

nope, do not remember that, do you mean like saying once you fasten the seat belt we will be good to go, then we still crash and you complain the seat belt did not prevent the crash

vaccines do not stop you from getting the virus, they help train your body to fight the virus

 

Well then you should pay closer attention

 

guess you should pay more attention as your the one that misunderstood

 

Hmmm..

 

It's funny because I've tried explaining this to people, even my doctors and nurses, and they dismiss it. My standing temperature is 95.0. All the time that's what it is unless I get sick. It goes up to 98 or 99, a few times above that but doctors don't seem to care if it's below 102 (unless it's an infant). The part that baffles me is I've had to be admitted to the hospital because my body was still have the same symptoms someone they consider to have a "high temperature" would have although mine reads in at less than 100. They still think that's neglible.

I haven't been that sick in awhile and I don't bother saying anything now. I just avoid the ER as much as possible.

 

That's true. Fauci said the vaccine was coming soon and we could start getting back to normal.
Then, Trump told George S. the virus would go away without the vaccine.
Then, Fauci said to remain vigilante and wear masks and socially distance a bit longer.
Then, the variants and we're back to Square One.

Comparing that to a seat beat is a false equivalence. A seat belt is a removable safety device. A person can't remove the vaccine from their body. And, crashing with a seat belt on is statistically shown to be much safer than crashing without one or wearing it improperly.

 

that was before we knew that half of America would not get the vaccine, the hope was most would

 

We weren't speaking to the reasoning behind it. I was verifying the comment, itself, is accurate.

 

context matters though

the seal belt comparison was as in someone saying the seat belt will keep you safe, it may improve the odds, but it may not too

 

Can you add some more words to that so I understand the context, please?

 

that was what the seat belt comparison was for, I may of edited after you replied

 

This is still misinformation. Even with delta breakthrough infections are rare. These vaccines do indeed prevent infection in the majority of vaccinees—the vaccine keeps them from”getting” the virus. If the vaccines did not prevent infection, the term “breakthrough” infection would not exist.

 

this is true : vaccines do not stop you from getting the virus, they help train your body to fight the virus, in case you do get it (to help prevent you from getting full-blown covid)

the antivaxers are just trying to spin it to say that means the vax doesn't work

 

Yes. The second sentence wasn't there when I read it.

 

If the vaccine is to train your body to fight the virus and it doesn't (evidenced by getting the virus), then it hasn't worked, has it? Or, are you saying that if you get the virus after vaccination and do NOT DIE, it's worked?

I'm trying to understand your pov that the statement is FALSE?

 

Nope. Vaccines prevent infection in the majority of vaccinees, period. There is no value in providing misinformation to the contrary.

 

the virus can enter the body regardless if your vaccinated or not, if your vaccinated, you can better fight it

I am not sure why you are trying to provide misinformation then, as what I say is true, stop saying it's not

if your vaccinated, you have better odds of fighting off before it become a problem

 

My posts are based on science—peer reviewed data showing vaccines prevent infection. In the cases where infection is not prevented, we call that a breakthrough infection. These breakthrough infections still rare even with delta.

Telling people vaccines don’t prevent infections and you still “get” the virus is counterproductive. It makes people think there is no point to vaccination if you “get” the virus/infection anyway.

 

Even with the original strains, most places were basically wasting their time checking temperatures. Even though it wasn't totally useless, it was pretty damned close. Now, with Delta, many of the vaccinated are spreading the virus while being asymptomatic, with no temps. There may be a difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated in this regard. I'm assuming you were referring more to the vaccinated with this question.

 

The science can completely confuse people.

January of last year my grandson went to California, stayed about a month and came home with the worst case of flu I ever saw. Then I got sick, then my wife got sick, nagging coughs that lingered. Then we heard about Covid and about mid year I got tested for antibodies but it was neg.. We went to lockdown, then masks and social distance and limited people in Walmart or HEB and then finally the vaccines and the world was once again safe for humanity. I got both shots and then on a routine visit my Dr. heard my heartbeat skip, said he had never heard that before and he's been checking it for over 20 years. Sent me to a heart specialist who hooked me up to a recorder for 24 hours, said it wasn't to worry about, minimal skips recorded.

I have had every symptom for covid listed, Sinus/allergies, dry cough, maybe loss of smell but who knows, I lost that 30 years ago. Recurring diarrhea, body aches, chills but the only thing I have never had is fever. So what does science tell me? Did the irregular heartbeat come from the vaccine or have I had a mild case of Covid? Who the hell can say? What I can say now is that I have masked and unmasked, still keep a space between me and the next in line but I am enjoying the relative freedom we finally see and live in and I sure as hell don't want to revert because we have another election coming up. I'm friggin old and I'd rather die from Covid than just hand over whatever quality time I have left because someone reads a row of statistics.

Living in isolation and fear ain't living.

 

No, some people are asymptomatic.

If you have faith in the test, then go get tested. There are tests for anibodies as well but I don't know where to get one. I doubt measuring temperature is very meaningful but I'm not a doctor so talk to yours.

 

And that was true until we got a resistant strain of the virus.

 

Uh huh.

 

I can see how frustrating it must be to not know if you’ve had Covid or if your symptoms are from something else. Just out of curiosity, were any of your other family members tested for antibodies? Early antibody tests weren’t great and it’s possible you had/have antibodies but they weren’t detected. If your whole family had Covid at least some should test positive for antibodies.

I agree. My mom passed away the end of 2019 in an assisted living facility. I’m thankful the last year of her life was 2019, not 2020. She had dementia and wouldn’t have been able to understand why nobody visited her anymore. I’m with you even at my age—if you can’t really live, what’s the point? I’m lucky I’m isolated most of the time anyway so isolation isn’t such a big deal. I don’t like to see people in fear, though. It not only affects quality of life, but anxiety wreaks havoc on the human immune system. Fear/anxiety is counterproductive in a pandemic. It sounds like you aren’t letting anxiety bring down your quality of life or your immune function. Good for you.