The 35 year Chilean charter school experiment that never worked

Oh that is awesome, good for your county. No like button unfortunately, but this is great news. I bet a decade out you see a good improvement in both the public and private schools, relatively and averaged.

My county does not work that way.

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What do the charters get paid per student? The public schools get around $12k
http://teaching.about.com/od/ProfilesInEducation/a/Delaware-Education.htm

 

Charters get the same per student, it's taken from the district the charter student would have attended. In DE it is nowhere near $12,000 except in a couple of the wealthiest districts.

 

That is the average. On the low end around 11k but still close:

http://profiles.doe.k12.de.us/SchoolProfiles/State/Finance.aspx

Seems charter schools get a 20% less in most counties and a little more (5% or so?) in one.

 

You need to understand how schools are financed in DE. The state pays the bulk of the cost of schools out of general revenues, the local school districts and counties also have local school taxes which are added. In Sussex and New Castle, the local district contribution is bigger than in Kent county (our poorest). The money that goes to charter schools is the state contribution. Our local property taxes are very low. My combined property tax, for the town I live in, the School District and the County are under $800 per year. They would be half that if I didn't live in town. The reason Sussex local taxes contribute so much to the schools is that about a third of our housing stock is made up of resort properties, very expensive, high assessments on those properties and no kids in schools. New Castle has most of the industry, and they get the bulk of industrial and commercial property taxes in the state. Each county also supports a vocational school district through local taxes. (these schools are competitive entry and highly regarded).

 

I hate to go off topic, but you posted this....

The differences are not null. Cancer survival rates are massively higher in the US, than in Spain. By a wide margin too.

And yes, Hospitals over charge, because insurance companies and government pick up the cost. That's the big problem in our system.

But the quality of our system is way way far better than yours, by any reasonable measure.

Life expectancy is lower in the US because of auto accidents, homicide, and other non-health-care related issues. It has to do with culture, and habits, not the quality of hospitals. That's why if you look at the life expectancy of those over 50 or so, we have the highest life expectancy in the world. 50 and 60 year olds are not likely to be involved in late night auto accidents, or gang shootings, or anything else. Thus their life expectancy is much higher than that of Spain.

Now everything is relative, and compared to some other European health care systems, Spain's isn't bad. Yes, they are modern compared to Mexico, Iceland, and Korea. And that's not bad.

But it's still not as good as the average US hospital. If you have any sort of life threatening illness, you have a better chance of surviving it in a US hospital, than any other country in the world. Just a fact.

 

Well in that case it seems on average that charter schools are in poorer neighborhoods then. Except in Kent, where their average 5% more per student. The rest at 20% less.

I heard bobby jindal today. He says only F schools get the voucher program in his state and it comes from a discretionary fund. The school district doesn't lose any money when a kid leaves. Not ideal in my book. Probably just what was politically feasible.

 

Charters in DE are spread out, some in urban areas, some in very high income areas. Under DE's charter and school choice laws ,the money follows the student.

 

They have been doing that for a while--at least ten years. Hasn't worked well. District is a C district and falling.

 

Why should the money NOT follow the student?

 

Falling since before Katrina or afterward?

 

You have two charters though, one is a middle school, a C and one is an A (6 and 10)

Seems the elementary schools are bad, the middle schools better and the high schools better then that if you look at the averages.

http://www.greatschools.org/florida/pensacola/schools/

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Sorry, you have an A charter elementary school as well.


Parents and kids seem happy:

http://www.greatschools.org/school/parentReviews.page?id=5215&state=FL

Some charters are going down though. The agricultural charter school middle school was your only A middle school, but it is a C now. You had 4 A schools, 2 were charters with open enrollment to everyone, 2 were public schools from your most affluent areas. Now down to 3 though.

 

How would Katrina have anything to do with this? I'm in Pensacola, not Mississippi or Louisiana.

Actually, the system has only been going downhill the last 4 yrs or so. The problem is that the system has been teaching to the test, rather than simply teaching. The test changed slightly 3 yrs ago, and things are just getting worse (and this is worse in comparison to the rest of Florida, so the other systems with the same changed test must not have had that problem). The magnet schools are excelling, but the other schools are going downhill, including the charters. Charter schools are not a panacea.

 

Those are crappy links. We have a lot more charters than that:
http://www.escambia.k12.fl.us/alted/charter.html
One of those (AA Dixon) closed as a charter. It was an F school.


Actually, Brown-Barge Middle School (magnet) is the only A middle school left.
Complete look at school grades in Escambia County:
http://www.pnj.com/interactive/arti...0726008/Escambia-school-grade-chart-1999-2013

 

Magnets will always be A schools. I found page 2 on that link later with my mobile. There a few mor charters. I was checking out that one, only open 2 years? They got a bad scores year 1 and now closed. Wow. That is fast. How long do you think a public school with the same results would be open? Do you know what public schools are in the Dixon school area? I noticed it had 96% black students.

Edit- thanks! Your link is better.