The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

I don’t consider much more efficiency as “less capable”. I don’t think much lower maintenance costs “less capable”. Better stop and go power, which gets you places faster and more efficiently, etc, etc.

 

Weak on hauling, towing and range.

 

They are better at hauling and towing - much much better

 

Nonsense.

 

Go on YouTube- you’ll see a small Tesla towing a semi

 

How far?

 

That would make the issue - Range. EVs are better at towing and hauling.

 

No, the issue is work- applying a force to move a mass over a distance. You know, physics.

A Tesla towing a semi for 20 feet is effectively useless no matter how many Youtube videos of it there are.

And EVs still suck.

 

That’s right, and the EV can move more maa than the ICE, and still achieve an acceptable range. If more range is needed, simply recharge. EVs don’t suck. They are far superior to ICEs in efficiency, quietness, maintenance costs, and pickup from a stop.

 

A properly equipped diesel semi can pull 80,000 lbs. 4800 miles without refueling.

Let me know when an EV can do an 1/8 of that.

 

Not needed…. A rocket ship can do much more, but I don’t need that either. Nor do 99.99 % of Americans.

 

LOL, they are the main transportation method in stocking the stores across America every day.

 

Biden is just an old, inefficient playback machine at this point. He has no idea what’s real and what’s fiction at this point. If the Democrats cared about the country they would gently forced him into retirement and replaced with a younger person.

I think the real answer is Biden is the perfect president for the far left. The people who control him enact far left policies with fossil fuels and EVs, for example. The trouble is those controllers are almost as incompetent as Biden. They don’t think through the consequences of their policies, and they don’t do all the planning, like new charging stations and beefing up the grid to support EVs. They are also not thinking about the long term environmental impact of EVs, and the political problems with China controlling the manufacture of them.

The people who control Biden are like dumb college sophomores. They learn the lesson, “We are killing the planet with fossil fuels!” Then they go out and demonstrate without thinking through the unintended consequences of their policies.

 

Yeh. Nobody needs to eat. Trucks don’t haul corn to the elevator (85,000-92,000 lb GVW). Trucks don’t haul cattle, pigs, poultry. Or produce. Or milk.

Nobody needs all those semis you see on highways and county roads. People just drive them around for entertainment purposes.

 

You’re telling me that a truck with enough gas for 4800 miles is the norm? That’s what the OP reported.

 

This is what YOU wrote that I replied to,

You said it was " NOT NEEDED" which is why I pointed out they are the backbone of the food delivery system to the stores across America I ignored the 4,800 miles claim (I think he meant 480 miles) because it wasn't material to your error.

 

No, 2 300 gallon tanks will get you 4800 miles at 8 miles per gallon.

Not every application needs that, but the simple fact that an ICE truck can be easily modified to handle whatever needs doing is yet another nail in the coffin for EV trucks.

 

Semis are powered by diesel fuel, not gas. A typical over the road rig will hold 300-400 gallons of fuel so will have an average range of 2100-2800 miles. Fuel capacity can be added…

And driver’s skill and whether or not the driver is in a hurry will change the fuel consumption rate considerably. As does the type of trailer. A boat tailed tank trailer will allow for much less fuel consumption than a triple axle punch side cattle pot just based on aerodynamics.

 

I don't think so since the largest tanks are 150 gallons a piece, here from my vehicle talk,

"How far can a diesel truck go on a full tank of gas?

The manufacturers of semi-trucks design these vehicles in such a way that they can travel thousands of miles between two consecutive fuel-ups. On average, these trucks come with 300-gallon fuel trucks. Taking the average mileage to be 7 miles a gallon, a diesel truck can travel around 2,100 miles on a single tank of gas.

As mentioned, several factors affect the mileage, which can make the fuel last longer, or require more frequent refueling.

What is the range of a Class 8 truck?

The average range of a class 8 truck is similar to that of a semi-truck. Class 8 trucks weigh at least 33K pounds. Tractor-trailers, cement mixers, and dump trucks come under this category.

Typically, these trucks can run between five to eight miles a gallon. Now, the fuel tank capacity differs in class 8 trucks, ranging from 50 to 150 gallons. Most of these trucks come with twin fuel tanks. Considering the maximum capacity of these tanks to be 150 gallons, each truck can carry around 300 gallons of fuel. Taking the average mileage to be 7 miles per gallon, the tank can hold enough fuel to help the truck cover 2,100 miles. Before you purchase one of these vehicles, make sure to know the capacity of the fuel tank to optimize its performance."

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It appears none of them come close to 4,000 miles.

 

I don't know what your "vehicle talk" is, but that's simply not true. Sure, truck manufacturers will build to high volume applications and customers, but heavy duty is, at its core, a custom and commercial game whose purpose is making money. Vehicles are built to do a specific job and can be endlessly modified to account for the intended workload and commercial considerations.

300 gallon tanks aren't that much different than 150 gallon other than being bigger. Deisel fuel has a high vaporization temperature (about 120 degrees F if I recall) as opposed to gasoline (somewhere around 65-70 degrees F) so there's no need for any complicated evaporative emissions management. Just a big old tank strapped to the frame. If you're running a tandem driver (maybe husband and wife combo) around the perimeter of the country every week, you may really appreciate not having to refuel constantly. And if your payload can afford the hit of extra weight, that may be a good reason to buy the most tank available. It all really depends on your business model.

And every truck manufacturer is set up for that. They all have Mod shops. Build the basic glider and send it out to have everything the customer wants bolted on. 2x4, 4x4, 6x6. Any torque curve that works for you. 1, 2 or 3 rear axles. An additional drop down rear axle for bridge formula. An entire range of frame reinforcement to carry anything. The customer specifies the wheelbase to accommodate any body that will be bolted to it. Etc.

In fact, that was a part of my job- travel the country looking at customer fleets and testing prototype hardware under real world conditions. Everywhere from Pittsburgh to Alabama to Denver (where, incidentally the trucks were never turned off for a few weeks every winter. Too hard to get them started again).

And because they accommodate various applications up front, they will also accommodate them when used with minimal effort. Remake any part you need to. Keeps resale up.

And once the utility of an EV truck's original application is done, there's no way to modify it. That's probably the fatal blow to EV trucks.

 

Even 2100 miles is ridiculous. I doubt many drivers carry that amount of fuel. Probably wouldn’t get through weigh stations. Next time I see that sign “This truck pays $xxx in taxes per year”, I’ll tell the driver they should be paying a lot more.

 

I hope the black eye doesn't hurt too much.

 

S*** I’d come out a lot worse than a black eye, and I won’t be able to say, ´You should see the other guy’

 

Claims of an engineering background are belied by failure to grasp basic concepts in this thread or well-known facts for context.

 

It appears you are terrible in math since the article and other articles I read say the same thing showing 2100 miles is really based on the information of known mpg and tank size, it is elementary 101 stuff, yet it is too hard for you to grasp.