The astronomical black violent crime rate: reality or LE conspiracy?

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  1. Truthist

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    Many liberals maintain that the extremely high black incarceration rate is due to "racist" conspiring among law enforcement, whereby, at worst, the black is convicted of a violent crime committed by a non-black, and at best, the conviction is valid, but the result of a decision by the law enforcement agency to focus on black violent crime and take focus away from non-black violent crime.

    This is absurd. Liberals whine about right-wing conspiracy theories, yet come up with drivel like this. As has been pointed out, the violent crime rate in all-black countries like Liberia is very high. Does anyone here seriously think that the astronomical black crime rate represents anything other than a reality wherein blacks commit many more violent crimes per capita than non-blacks?
     
  2. Zook

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    They come out with drivel like that because they're ignorant. Simple as that. They want to try growing up in the black majority hell holes I grew up in and then try believing that crap.

    A person's tolerance for diversity is directly related to their distance from it.
     
  3. EgalitarianJay

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    What about majority Black countries like Ghana and Dominica which have low crime rates?

    How do they fit into your theory that all majority Black areas have high crime rates?

    As far as diversity and crime is concerned Amsterdam, Netherlands is very Multicultural and has one of the lowest crime rates in Europe. Moscow, Russia is almost 100% White and has one of the highest crime rates in the world.

    There are several other counter examples I could list.

    Crime is correlated with poverty and poverty especially in urban areas is correlated with numerous social problems including domestic violence and drug abuse. Having a bad upbringing and negative social influences can lead someone towards a life as a criminal later in life.

    Black American communities that are more affluent are as peaceful as their White American counterparts.

    Family and neighborhood quality have a strong impact on a child's psychological development.

    Racial-profiling has some impact on incarceration rates but the main reason that Black Americans make up a disproportionate number of criminals is because a disproportionate number of Blacks grow up in a bad environment NOT because they are Black which is a rather absurd and racist idea.
     
  4. dilligaf

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    (It is because of BLACK culture and the communities they live in.Blacks still have higher per capita crime rates than whites even if they grow up in affluent neighborhoods.)

    F.B.I and U.S. Justice department Black vs White Crime statistics.

    This Video is a list of Crime statistics provided by the FBI and US justice department, in relation to the differences between White And Black crime rates and a comparison of the amount Crimes Blacks and Whites commit against each other.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JbAO5_NMw"]F.B.I and U.S. Justice department Black vs White Crime statistics. - YouTube[/ame]


    The Jew controlled MSM will never recognize the murdering of white folks by blacks. Even the FBI makes the statement beginning at 2:20.

    According to FBI's figures for 2007: "Blacks committed 433,934 violent crimes against whites" and those are only the ones that were reported!

    Far more Whites are raped, assaulted and murdered EVERY YEAR by negroes than negroes were EVER lynched--the leftards and partisans call this "progress".

    Oh, and don't forget, many of those interracial crimes attributed to evil Whitey were in fact committed by "hispanics" and arabs.

    Hispanics, Arabs and jews are listed separately or simply referred to as "other" in the victims statistic charts..
    When it comes to White perpetrators, Hispanics, Arab and jews are usually blended in with the White offenders list to both raise the number of White criminals and reduce the number of Hispanic, Arab and jewish offenders.
    This is racial equality in practice.
     
  5. DevilMayhem666

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    White-on-White violent crime outweighs Black-on-White by a great amount. Plus Hispanics can be white.
     
  6. dilligaf

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    If thats the argument your going to take then answer this question.

    So why would white communities want to import non whites who commit higher crime rates per capita into their white communities when like you said we whites already have our own criminals....why would any sane white community want to intentionally raise the crime rates in those communities?

    Yes i know hispanic,jew,arab is a variable race....lol...im gathering you think zimmerman is white too....when he is clearly not.

    Keep making excuses up for black crimes, im not surprised the lengths you *******s and race hustlers to blame anything but black people themselves...

    Race hustlers blame NIKE for black crime...
    We are doomed!
    These Negroids will never be domesticated!

    Black race hustlers blame NIKE for causing black mob violence. Notice the media outlet treats convicted crack dealer “Quanell X” of the New Black Panther Party as a legitimate “community activist.”

    Black mobs have beaten, stabbed, and shot each other over these shoes in both the United States and England.

    When are we going to start blaming black criminals for black crime and stop making absurd excuses?

    Race hustlers blame NIKE for black crime.
    http://cofcc.org/2011/12/race-hustlers-blame-nike-for-black-crime/

    ... BREAKING NEWS: Last night a man was a gunned down and his girlfriend seriously wounded in what police are describing as an attempted robbery gone wrong.
    The couple was returning from a shopping trip at a local Wal Mart when they were accosted.
    Witnesses describe the attacker as 'a pair of hi-top Nikes'. Police are appealing for anyone who may have witnessed the attack to come forward.
     
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  7. DevilMayhem666

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    Generalizing much? I'm just wondering why guys like you seem to care very little about the white-on-white crimes.

    He's mostly caucasian.

    What excuses did I make?
     
  8. EgalitarianJay

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    Sure.

    Dominica


    Source: BBC News

    Dominica has a relatively low crime rate for the Caribbean. Although it is among the poorest countries in the region, its differences in wealth distribution are not as marked as in the larger Caribbean islands.

    Ghana

    Source Comparative Criminology


    The crime rate in Ghana is very low compared to industrialized countries. An analysis was done using INTERPOL data for Ghana. For purpose of comparison, data were drawn for the seven offenses used to compute the United States FBI's index of crime. Index offenses include murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, and motor vehicle theft. The combined total of these offenses constitutes the Index used for trend calculation purposes.


    According to Nationmaster Dominica is ranked #77 out of 82 for total crime statistics by nation. Ghana is not even ranked. Several European countries that are vast majority White are ranked in the Top 20.



    This is a question directed at Truthist. If all majority Black areas having high crime rates is not what he is implying then nevermind.



    On Amsterdam...


    It's been said that the Netherlands has one of the lowest crime rates in Europe because whenever something becomes a criminal problem the Dutch make it legal, thereby reducing crime with a stroke.


    Source: Frommer's Amsterdam by George MacDonald

    I could not find a proper source on the safest cities in Europe. I was going on memory here. But here's an interesting tidbit on Amsterdam:

    Is Amsterdam the "ideal city?" Many of the social, economic, and environmental problems facing Amsterdam are considerably less than cities in the United States , and in most cases, Western Europe . Amsterdam , at this moment in history, might be the world's greatest city because of its ability to ensure basic necessities, freedom and creativity. Tolerance of drugs, sexual freedom, along with integration of different races helps reduce many of the "social problems" faced by most cities.


    We have compared, on a per capita basis, differences between Amsterdam/Holland and the United States . The Netherlands is a tiny country, and comparisons are made on a city and per capita numbers on the national level. Our data show that Amsterdam has lower crime, murder, rape, drug usage (cocaine, marijuana), teenage pregnancy, diabetes, obesity, suicide, abortion rates, infant mortality, dependence on fossil fuels, homelessness, and racial segregation is considerably less.



    Source: Amsterdam: Planning and Policy for the Ideal City?

    Well would you look at that? Amsterdam is more peaceful than American cities and they have less racial segregation.

    Some details on the demographic of Amsterdam:

    Ethnic Minorities of Amsterdam

    The major ethnic minorities of Amsterdam include Hindustanis and Creoles of Suriname, Turks, Moroccans and immigrants from Aruba and Antilles in Netherlands. The city also has about 26,000 Chinese and a strong Jewish community as well. About 76,000 migrants have also come from Pakistan and Ghana and have settled their bases in the city. Most of the people of Amsterdam are Catholics as the city was originally a Roman Catholic city. The catholic bishop's seat in the city is the town of Haarlem. Protestantism and Lutheranism have been introduced by the Surinamese people. Other popular religions in the city include Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Jewish, Confucianism and Hare Krishna cult. The Moroccan and African population in the city have their own culture and customs.


    Source: Demography of Amsterdam

    According to the CIA World Factbook Russia is about 80% ethnic Russian and most of the other ethnic groups are European. Moscow itself according to the 2010 Russian Census is about 91% ethnic Russian. Nationmaster has Russia ranked as the 5th most criminal country in the world.

    Who are these "Asiatic" people you claim are committing the crime?

    Can you name specific ethnic groups and the proportion of crime they are committing?





    You have a source for crime rates by country so I will move on to you other arguments.
     
  9. EgalitarianJay

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    High rates of sexual abuse among non-White communities?

    Rapes (most recent) by country

    1. France
    2. Germany:
    3. Russia
    4. Sweden
    5. Argentina
    6. Belgium
    7. Philippines
    8. Spain
    9. Chile
    10. Lesotho

    Source: Nation Master

    I see some majority White countries in there. I suppose you are going to claim the non-White minorities are doing most of the raping in those countries. As for how poverty relates to sexual abuse that is easy. Like I said before domestic violence and drug abuse are more prevalent in poor areas and they can have a negative psychological impact on someone bring brought up in such an environment, leading to them becoming more violent in adulthood including sexual violence.

    But I suppose like a typical racist you are going to claim that rape is caused by greater sex drive and races differ in sex drive so they also differ in rape potential even though psychological studies have shown that rape usually isn't a crime determined by sexual impulses but rather motivated by a desire to dominate or humiliate the victim using sex as a weapon. Many rapists also plan out their crimes targeting their victim in situations where they are most vulnerable. Your average rapist doesn't just see a pretty girl with a short skirt and lose control because of some primal urge.

    Also I'm not making excuses for the behavior just explaining why trends exist.

    Infact it is racists who are alleviating such deviant criminals of personal responsibility by claiming it is in their nature to go around raping people as if they can't help themselves. Ultimately someone committing such crime is making a personal choice. They can be influenced by life experiences or even mental illness that effect their state of mind but there is no such thing as a natural born rapist and no life trauma forces someone to be a rapist.



    It is true.

    When it comes to fast-moving lies, few can top one that has been distributed by white supremacists for the past several years. It is probably the most popular piece of racist propaganda in existence today, and because it relies on official government data, it comes across as sober, intelligent social science, rather than as the compendium of nonsense it happens to be.

    The screed to which I refer is, The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Violence in America, by white nationalist, Jared Taylor. Taylor is the publisher of the racist magazine, American Renaissance, and host of a bi-annual conference, which attracts open neo-Nazis as well as a gaggle of academicians who proclaim black genetic inferiority. According to Taylor, there are several “facts” about crime that have been hidden from view by the civil rights community. Among them:

    • Blacks are much more dangerous than whites as evidenced by higher crime rates;
    • Black criminals usually choose white victims and are far more likely to victimize whites than whites are to victimize blacks (both for regular violent crimes and hate crimes);
    • Black crime rates justify racial profiling, since it only makes sense to focus law enforcement attention on those who commit a disproportionate share of crime; and finally,
    • The interracial crime data makes white fear of African Americans perfectly rational.
    • But a close examination of these arguments proves that Taylor and his followers are either statistically illiterate, or knowingly deceive for political effect.

    First, as for the disproportionate rate of violent crime committed by blacks, economic conditions explain the difference with white crime rates. According to several studies, when community and personal economic status is comparable between whites and blacks, there are no significant racial crime differences (1). In other words, the implicit message of Taylor’s report — that blacks are dangerous because they are black — is insupportable.



    Source: The Color of Deception by Tim Wise

    1) L.J. Krivo and R.D. Peterson, “Extremely Disadvantaged Neighborhoods and Urban Crime,” Social Forces 75(2) (December 1996); Barbara Chasin. Inequality and Violence in the United States. (NJ: Humanities Press International, 1997).


    Source?



    Nice cartoon but even if we accepted those stats as completely accurate the discussion is about the cause.


    This is a stupid comparison. You're comparing the crimes of individuals to lynch mobs. Get real.



    How many Arab on Black crimes do you really think occur in the United States?

    Some Hispanics are White and aside from the occasional George Zimmerman I very much doubt that many hate crimes committed by Whites against Blacks were committed by Hispanics with significant Native American ancestry that have been called White by the Census.

    Some Hispanics look no different from indigenous Europeans having mainly Spanish ancestry.

    Since Arabs are regarded as socially White in America I can see a point being made about them being classified as White politically but they are so few in number they have no major impact on crime stats for White Americans.

    Jews are originally from the Middle East but most Ashkenazi Jews are indistinguishable from your average White American because they have intermarried with European populations for centuries. Only Neo-Nazi types make an argument that Ashkenazi Jews are not White. In America they are certainly views as White by the general population unless they are as dark-skinned as some of the darker Middle Eastern Jews.
     
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    So...can I just clarify it is not just black people who are discriminated against by uninformed ingrained racists, but also Jews, Hispanics, Arabs and possibly any other passing nationality which happens not to be WASP?
     
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    There are a few confusing things about the OP assertions and the posts which follow, which maybe you can clear up.

    It seems you are claiming many non-white people attack white people. Is it not the case in US, that white people are armed and always ready to bear arms in self-defence? One wonders how does this violent phenomenon occur, if people are continually wandering about with bare arms?

    Why don't you concentrate on positive action and if you are convinced there is an issue, act to improve the economic situation for the people you feel are in such a bad situation? Inclusion, it works for everyone in the community.

    Or would you perhaps prefer all non-white persons to be segregated and without access to economic mobility? Which is puzzling as it seems to be against the principle of the US Constitution and against the concept of freedom altogether really...
     
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    You claimed in another thread that you lived in London. So kindly name these 'black majority hell holes' you grew up in.
     
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    Jacksonville, FL, Houston, TX and now I reside in a heavily black part of London. All of which are FAR more majority black than ANYWHERE in Ireland. Which is why my posts sound a lot less ignorant than forum members who point their fingers from majority White neighborhoods in countries such as Ireland.
     
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    (Whites commit more crimes on white people ,thus excusing black on white crimes.)

    Egalitarian jay , your response is a typical cultural marxist response which i will shoot down in flames ,i notice you never mentioned the african rape figures in sudan,SA,somalia, etc etc where the majority of them admit to raping someone...lol or oslo where 100% of rapes are committed by non whites in a white state and you know what it is exactly the same in many more white countries such as Sweden, Australia, England ,France etc etc..I will elaborate more on your absolute pitiful responses later...Also your SOURCES lack actual crime facts.Your ghana source does not show what you allege.nice try anti white bigot.
     
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    Are you serious there are a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of these no go areas for whites....your either ignorant or deluded probably both.

    Just google no go areas for whites on youtube...there are (*)(*)(*)(*)loads of em.
     
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    That's right.

    It seems like you want to play a verbose strategy on these boards. Just copy and paste so much into a single post that nobody has the time to respond to it all. It's been done before. Don't get a God complex when few people challenge you.
     
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    Challenging arguments point by point is not verbosity.

    I don't have a God complex.

    Most people don't respond to my arguments because they can't. That is all.
     
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    Nice strawman.

    My point is: Why not tackle the whole spectrum? Why highlight the black on white crime but totally ignore the white on white crime that happens more often? People like this remind me of Al "Race hustler" Sharpton.

    Nice Ad hominem.
     
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    The percentage of the population who is black has increased over the past few decades yet the violent crime rate has declined dramatically.

    So the assertion in the title is not only racist but idiotic from a logic standpoint.
     
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    When factoring for chronic unemployment there is no racial skew in those that commit violent crime in America.

    Now if you want to explore the myriad of reasons that african americans are more likely than other races in America to suffer from chronic unemployment that would be wonderful. But I gather you folks just wanna keep on rolling with your thinly veiled racist rants.
     

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