Really? How did we create the centuries of Islamic expansionism by the sword before the US was even founded? How did Israel create the hundreds of pogroms against Jews perpetrated perpetrated by Muslims since Mohammad himself slaughtered the Banu? Tell us why were the Muslims attacking us at the point of our foundation with Jefferson and Adams both recognizing the threat of the Mohammedians?
All of it, apparently. International law is only applicable when Israel acts to step in where international "law" has failed miserably to stop Syria from starting up it's own illegal nuclear progam under the direction of N. Korea (one bloody filthy hand helping the other...the company Syria keeps). http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/02/11/080211fa_fact_hersh Up to the point that Israel is forced to act on it's own, apparently, international law is a sleeping toothless chihuahua. After Israel acts, it is a righteously empowered pit bull, at least to the Israel-phobes.
Really? Tell me how did the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, who were forcibly removed from their homes, cause the Islamic expansionism by the sword? Tell me how did the thousands of innocent Palestinian children, that Israel has killed in the last 20 years, cause the violence perpetrated by Muslims against Jews, since Mohammed? How did they cause these things? How????
I suppose you should ask the million "Palestinians" who have full citizenship and equal rights in Israel whose living standards are unparalleled by their contemporaries in the entirety of dar al-Islam.
There is nothing revisionist about the questions that I posed to you. The answer is that those people had nothing to do with the atrocities that have been inflicted on them in recent times. IF you are tying to justify it, with those things that happened in the time of Mohammed, that is flawed.
This is just babble. A country that does it's best to achieve military superiority does not necessarily attain it. There is nothing obvious here. It's just useless talk. The reason Israel is able to maintain that superiority is because the United States maintains it. The US does this through providing advanced weapons systems, financial assistance, and through it's power to veto resolutions in the security council. Over and above that, it uses it's leverage over other countries to create the conditions that allow Israel to maintain it's military superiority. If all of this were to cease, the result would be an increase in parity between Israel and it's enemies.
If you believe this, then you would have to support the notion that it would be perfectly fine if the United States were to fly into Israel and assassinate Ariel Sharon for war crimes, if the United States felt he as guilty. Since it's every man for himself, as long as the United States had the ability to do it, under the logic you are putting forward, it would be fine.
The occupation of what muslim land caused 1st and 2nd World Trade center attacks? How about the bombing of the marine baracks in Lebanon, the Lockerbie bombing?
Israel is occupying Palestinian land, the US has supported them in this endeavor. The point is that people like Osama bin Laden and Yassin are the products of unnecessary aggression. Therefore, ceasing such activity, would be a good place to start in terms of solving the problem. - - - Updated - - - The US has supported Israel in it's occupation of Palestinian land. Duh?
A waste i know....., but then its the closest thing for a blazing charoit to haven we could find so in a way we even helped him and humanity in one action.
I blazing chariot to heaven was not needed. How about Israel withdrawing from Palestinian land? But a blazing chariot from heaven would come before that.
Or so legal and legitimate (albeit not popular in the muslim world) foreign policy of the US is a good enough excuse for Muslim terror in your eyes? Why am I not surprised you think like that? Do you think US foreign policy should be driven by the wishes of Islamic extremists, fundamentalists, mass murderers or else they will be justified to murder american civilians? What unnecessary US aggression prior to 2001? Please be as specific as you'd like.
Do you mean like before 1967 when there was no occupation and yet terror attacks against israeli civilians were occuring daily? Or perhaps like the withdrawal from Lebanon which led to years of Katyusha attacks, cross border raids and kidnappings? Or more like the withdrawal from Gaza that led to 10,000 Kassam rockets falling on Israeli towns, villages, schools, kindergartens?
It should not be driven by the interests of Israel. When has US policy been driven by the wishes of Islamic extremists? The US supported Israeli aggression against the Palestinians prior to 2001. No need to elaborate further. - - - Updated - - - How about when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were kicked out of their homes? Are you familiar with that?
9-11 happened out of a metaphorically clear blue sky without causation.......despite Bin Laden's stated rationale...Hmmmm. When you are ready to snap back to reality, you'll be sure to less us all know, Borat won't you?
I other words no examples of US aggression or occupation of Muslim lands prior to 9/11 but terrorist attacks against American civilians, the 1st WTC bombing, 9/11, the Lockerbey bombing, the Lebanon massacre of the marines, they are all stil the fault of the American aggression and occupation, right?LOL It's not but that's exactly what you are advocating here. - - - Updated - - - Not at all dear, this is the "muslim way" to resolve political disagreements and object to legal and legitimate foreign policy of western countries. Lot's of people and peoples on the planet disagree with certain aspects of US foreign policy but it's just muslim extremists who resort to murdering innocent civilians.
In other words, there is no excuse for Israeli aggression against the Palestinians. Right? It's totally uncalled for. Right? It's totally uncivilized. RIght? It should stop immediately. Right? LOL
Ok so we have established that your claim that the cause of terror attacks against the US was American aggression and occupation of Muslims lands was totally baseless as you failed to provide even one example of such aggression or occupation prior to 9/11. As far as Israel concerned, your claim that occupation causes anti-Israel terror was completely debunked by my earlier post:
What?? Apparently you are suffering from Alzheimer's. Here is what you said: To which I replied: Please note that the discussion was focused on Yassin and Osama bin Laden. Also please note that you forgot the small issue of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians being kicked out of their homes. Also please note that you forgot about cutting off the power supply to over a million people as collective punishment. OBL mentioned US support for Israel in it's persecution of the Palestinian people, as well as the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, as being reasons for his aggression. Wake up and keep up with the converstion. I haven't seen you debunk anything. It seems to me that all you are capable of doing is blowing smoke around. Your claim here is debunked by looking at the posts above. You seem to have Alzheimer's, and cannot recall what was said.