In WW2 Christians were killing other Christians for having the "wrong" Christian belief (Croatian Genocide) but, nothing since then. Islam is going through what Christianity was like for over 1000 years from Constantine to through the middle ages. To your point about "what is a Christian", you are absolutely correct that this means different things to different Christians. What is a shock to many is that there are two different salvation formulations. Protestants believe in "Sola Fide" salvation by faith alone - nothing else is required. Catholic and Orthodox have a works component. Given that "how do I get to heaven/avoid hell" is the most critical question of Christianity, and that there are two contradictory answers ... this is a bit of an issue - never mind all the other differences between Christians. Then you have the issue of what Christians believe vs what Jesus says. This is where things really get strange. Most Christians do not even know - never mind follow - the primary teaching/rule of Jesus. Matt 7:12 "The rule that sums the law and the prophets" What more emphasis does one want ? The Golden Rule. Jesus then restates this rule a bunch of times to ensure his audience gets it. Love neighbor as self, Judge not lest you be judged, Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone (pericope of the Adulterous woman), .. and so on. Many Christian groups - especially religious right evangelicals and fundamentalists - can't get enough of political activism to enact laws that would force their beliefs on others through physical violence (Law). This violates the most fundamental principle of Christ. If you do not want others forcing their personal or religious beliefs on you through physical violence (Law) then do not do this to others.
You are being very disingenuous and failing to respond to the content of my post. The Parent does not kill the children because they are "disappointed" God did. God is depicted as being more than disappointed .. the word used is "regret" .. God regretted creating humans. The parents although they may be disappointed seldom "regret" having the children. Now you are just making stuff up and hoping it fits. Jesus was a new "prophet" and gave a new message. This is much different than a "new covenant" nor did Jesus rescind he Old Covenant. Jesus believed in a God who was much different than YHWH. There is a difference between referring to Jesus as "a God" and referring to him as "God -The Father-God of Abraham" You can disagree all you like but this is not a coherent response to my comments, nor have you given any justification of claim. Hebrews ? Who wrote Hebrews and what does this have to do with "what Jesus said". As for Genesis - referring to oneself as "us" is not referring to someone in the third person. Further ... God is reference to "us - our image" is because it was a group effort. The folk in the time of Abraham and the Israelite's who came after believed in a Pantheon. The Israelite's were monotheistic in that they worshiped only one God but, they believed in the existence of many.
"Incorrect. Apostle Thomas even referred to Jesus as God and Jesus didn't correct him. Are versea needed? I can next time just need to sleep so trying to keep it brief." You must give references to your claims. Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. He didn't say, "Pray to me" proof that Jesus is the son, not the father. Thus not claiming to be God.
And the gazillion other examples such as when Jesus prays to God to "Take this cup from my hand" - not wanting to go through with crucifixion or when Jesus claims that there are things that the Father knows that he does not. Then of course you have the crucifixion itself where Jesus calls out "my God my God why have you forsaken me".
Sure. John chapter 20 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my GOD!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” So only some know to believe in Him being God. It's not for all. No big deal. And God is Trinity. So God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit which is why Jesus said to pray in that manner because 1 John 5:7 says " For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are ONE. "
God is God though. He's not us. He has a right to do what we don't. Natural deaths are Him killing us since He says He numbers our days. It's being disappointed in their behavior and if God created humans He sure the heck has the right to wipe them out, you know? Jesus didn't come to be a prophet but to be a Messiah. He had prophecy to fulfil. And Jesus did not agree with old covenant fully if He did then the Jews wouldn't kill Him, you know? It's a trinity but we can agree to disagree not a big deal.
What's wrong with ignoring something negative? It's better then mass murder that's common in America. An approach to ignore and walk away from something is actually what people in America need.
Mass murder Is common in the US? I do not see Christians walking away from pro choice, same sex marriage and other such issues.
Jesus didn't come to be a prophet but to be a Messiah. He had prophecy to fulfil. And Jesus did not agree with old covenant fully if He did then the Jews wouldn't kill Him, you know? There's no prophecy regarding the Jewish preacher. The OT 'prophecies' concern Israel. http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/why-jews-cannot-accept-the-new-testament/
At the end of the day our idea of "God" is a man made construct. There is no way to know for sure ...anything about God or "Gods" or their involvement or lack thereof in the creation of humans or whether or not they even exist. The basis of this conversation is solely on the depiction of God given in Genesis which states that God regretted creating humans. Of course God was disappointed at his mistake. The idea of attributing rights and responsibility and morality to God is silly in context of the discussion. You are confusing OT Law with the Covenant God made with the Israelite's (and Noah if we go further back). It is also important to distinguish between OT Law and "The Commands - 10 commandments). OT law is not a covenant. There are various Mosaic covenants between God and the Israelites .. OT Law is not one of them. I agree that Jesus violates OT Law but he does not violate "The Commands". I agree that The Father- Logos (Son)- and Spirit can be viewed as a kind of Trinity... just as El - his consort Asherah - and Son Baal. This is different from the a Trinity doctrine stating that the three are in fact one = That Jesus "was" God - God of Abraham. Given that this doctrine is the most fundamental doctrine that underlies modern Christianity - one of the few things that all Christian denominations agree upon, the Trinity ideology is the "biggest deal" from a religious perspective. Disagreement is one thing - being able to back up one's claim is quite another.
John 10:34 But he never claimed to be the father....you can't be a son without a father and a mother(the holy spirit)...When Jesus claimed to be one with the father, he was saying that his devotion to the father total. Jesus is NOT THE FATHER!
I need to state if this god being put in one solid bit of real science even if descriptive that would only be known to modern humans now it would be strong evidence that at least some advanced being was involved. For example say this being had a description of our galaxy and at the center is a void of such weight it sucks in light and is utter darkness the weight of a multitude upon multitude of suns and it was a spiral and spun with the world and sun at the outer edge that would be compelling as hell it would explain a modern understanding of a black hole. And could be included in some part of the book on the secret things of nature god made a book of such knowledge. I would have included a basic understanding of germ theory, reproduction of humans, the heavens and deep things as evidence the book as a whole comes from a supreme intelligence. But nope we get magic to cure leprosy and having to cram in facts that would not show such an intellect. If I can come up with this idea why didn't this god of yours?
You say it COULD BE this, or it MAY MEAN that. But what it for sure does not mean is the BIG BANG Because what it says is that the heavens and the earth were created at the same time And THAT did not happen. Nor was the earth created in an instant Nor was humanity created along with and at approximately the same time as all other forms of life Nor was there a garden of Eden, nor a tree of knowledge, Nor were men and women created separately Nor was there a talking snake, nor was there a great flood, nor an ark About how many years ago did this early earth exist I think the article you reference would be talking about events from more than a billion years
Debris recovered from Dwarka - including construction material, pottery, sections of walls, beads, sculpture and human bones and teeth has been carbon dated and found to be nearly 9,500 years old not 36,000
This was a refutation of the Gohangover post. I could quote a dozen websites and archaeological reports which refute the 36,000 year claim.
OK, but to me this dating issue is exactly what I would require of science. It shows that science is constantly in recognition of the fact that humans can make mistakes. Knowing that humans are fallible, it's important to use a system of exploration that is rigorously self correcting. That IS what science is.
I agree. But as you probably know, dating is not 1 method, but many, depending on what is being dated. It not only depends on the article bein g dated but can be confirmed by where and in what conditions it is found. My apologies if you already know this.https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/showing-their-age-62874/ Science isn't infallible but when a skeleton is found in layers of earth laid down a million years ago it sure isn't likely to be my great great grandfather - 5 times removed.
Tosca, arguing with these guys always reminds me of a discussion my boss and I had with a lady at work one day. We were talking about somebody's new car, which turned out to be one of those Japanese/American partnership things, Toyota and Chevy. A car would roll off the assembly line, and it woulf get a Chevy bow tie emblem, the next would get a Toyota emblem. This woman was convinced that the Toyota was still better than the Chevy even after having been shown that they were in fact the same car. She simply couldn't overcome her brainwashing and her prejudices. These guys are the same way. I know what you're saying, they never will.
Of course science has proven the Bible wrong. The Bible claims there was some global flood that wiped out all land creatures 300 years prior to the time when Abraham walked the earth (1800-2000 BC) This puts the date of the flood 2100-2300 BC. Science has proven that there was no global flood that wiped out all land creatures during this time period.
