THE BIBLE: God’s Word or Man’s?

Glad we got THAT sorted out.
And, don't forget, there was no Israel, no house of David, no Moses, no Daniel
and no Jesus. It's all just made up.
Oh, and no Jews.

 

Separating fact from mythos must be a problem for you. There was NO Exodus.. and there is zero evidence for Moses or the Exodus.. Do you know why?

 

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Separating fact from mythos must be a problem for you. There was NO Exodus.. and there is zero evidence for Moses or the Exodus.. Do you know why?

 

Well, yeah.. There were lots of "messiahs" and schools for prophets.

 

Palestine was bandit territory.. that's why David is called the bandit king.. and that's why they locked the gates of Jerusalem at dark.

The Sephardic Jews share DNA markers with Berbers and Edomites. You have heard about Kahina the Jewish warrior queen, haven't you?

 

Yes, much of ancient Egypt's past is buried under modern cities.
And the Hebrews were not like other cultures to build monuments
to themselves. Most of the 40 years in the wilderness was actually
spent at Kadesh, if I recall.
Israel's flight from Egypt is deeply embedded in its culture. They are
not ashamed they are a people who came out of slavery.

 

Exodus is a cultural myth and an important story of redemption, but it never happened. Egypt controlled both Sinai and Canaan at the time.. Sinai couldn't support 2 million Israelites and their herds. Even now Sinai can only support 800,000 people.

Further, 2 million Israelites left Egypt which would have halved the population of Egypt at the time yet there were NEVER 2 million or even a million Jews in Palestine.

 

I share genes with you, whoever you are.
I share genes with Neanderthals, Home Erectus, woolly mammoths and all critters back
to the Last Common Ancestor. That's not what I mean. There are genetic markers for Jews.
Until we had DNA tech there were plenty who said that Jewry is just a religion, but they
were proven wrong. And again, when a group splits you can time that split reasonably well.
With the Samaritans this was about 720 BC when other people's shifted into Samaria. Why
seek to contradict something so marvelous as when DNA and history can corroborate each
other so well?

 

There's actually a lot of subtle clues to the historicity of Genesis and Exodus in
the names, cities, towns, roads and cultures that were totally unknown to later
generations of Jews.
I wonder about this: the date of a possible Moses keeps pushing back. The date
of the eruption of Thera keeps shifting forwards. It is possible that what was the
"plagues" of Egypt, and the parting of the Reed Sea, was a result of this massive
explosion about 1600 BC. Only trouble is with such high and low dating is that
it appears the Israeli destruction of many Canaanite cites was about 1200-1300 BC.

 

The Jews didn't destroy any Canaanite cities.. Archaeologist have found them intact and uninterrupted.

Genesis and Exodus were written after the Babylonian exile.. and bear NO resemblance to any historical place. The Noah story was borrowed from Sumer and was a MUCH older myth dating to 2900 BC on the Euphrates River.

Exodus was probably borrowed from an ancient Egyptian romance about the life of Sinuhe.

 

LOL, wrong. Totally wrong. Go talk to some Jews.

 

Okay!

""Exodus is the foundational myth of Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple, and in many ways its parallel in the Christian world – that differs from it significantly –is the myth of Christ's crucifixion," Prof. Margolin said. "

https://english.m.tau.ac.il/news/exodus_history_and_myth

 

In fact... Moses didn't go via the coastal route BECAUSE of Egyptian fortifications.
Egyptian presence in Canaan varied over the years and I don't know if they had
any fortifications in Palestine/Gaza.

 

I am amazed at how these academics KNOW these things.
If I had the time I would like to write down every major claim of
such erudite men about the bible that was actually found to be
factually false.
ie
#1 There was no town called Nazareth
False.

#2 Camels were not domesticated in the Bronze Age
False

#3 There is no record of any House of David
False

#4 Jerusalem was never a cultural or administrative center of ancient Israel
False

etc..

 

I am amazed at how religious people know things without a shred of evidence. At least academics try to consider the evidence.

Hey...found any evidence of the great flood yet?

 

Actually, a lot of academics DON'T 'consider the evidence' because they are
people just like those they seek to debunk. One only has to look at the claim
that no-one rode camels in Abraham's day, therefor this Bronze Age story was
somehow invented in Babylonian times.
Google the evidence.
As for the 'great flood' - Genesis says all the world was flooded, but the term
'world' meant different things to different cultures, different times and even in
different bible contexts. The world of Noah's day was much smaller than the
'world' of NT times which had expanded to encompass the whole Roman Empire.
"Heaven" meant where birds fly, or the stars or where God reigned. Today 'universe'
means all universes - 30 years ago 'universe' meant everything there was.

 

When engaging in academia, they always consider the evidence. Thats literally the entire point. And to compare it to religious nutballs, making extraordinary claims without a shred of evidence...thete is no comparison, really.

And take it up with the Jew that hit your sore spot. You made a bit of a rhetorical error, when you made a plea to "ask the Jews" . Much, if not most of isreal's population (and maybe most of the jews in the world) are very secular and reject much or all ofbthe magical nonsense in the Bible.

 

I didn't "ask the Jews", that's another poster.
People challenge Jesus on the basis of "ask the Jews" but it was the Jews
who lost their nation because they DIDN'T believe (and most authors of the
Old Testament said as much in prophecy.)

I asked an archaeologist, who did the field research, about some Aboriginal carvings
I got a reasonable reply (even though they appeared Polynesian) but when I asked what
this person thought of the large and very ancient carved stone blocks they replied that they
hadn't seen them."Probably of convict origin." They had to step over these tumbling blocks
to reach the carvings - all of them etched with similar carvings. That was my first experience
with dealing with academic blindness - they couldn't imagine Aborigines creating large dressed
stone buildings, so they simply "didn't see them."
Now imagine what some archaelogists much do in the Middle East. Imagine what Egyptian
Muslims must do if they find Hebrew artifacts. We are all human, we are all biased.

 

Right, which is why we invented the scientific method. Thats why archaeologists are, themselves, correcting all the mistakes you mentioned....not shamans, not voodoo priests, not blind women with crystal balls...

 

I know nothing about Shamans, voodoo priests or crystal balls.

 

No, go talk to some Jews, not some "academic".

 

This is so wrong. It beggars belief.
You can't say something is a myth because you don't have evidence for it.
Never head anyone call the Big Bang a myth.

 

According to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud theJews as a collective are the Messiah.

 

It's Super Strange - but the Jews are not the authority on this.
When Jacob spoke to the 12 sons he spoke of the then non-existant
state of Israel finishing with the Messiah. Why? Because as Isiah,
Daniel, Zachariah, David etc pointed out - the Jewish people would
not know the time of their visitation.