The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales

I do not identify myself as part of a Christian sect. I am, however, a believer, a part of the Body of Christ. My belief would be that the Gospel of John begins with....
In the beginning was the WORD, (or expression of God) and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus became that expression and we know about HIM through His Word.....that would be the Bible. That is the living expression of everything.How can we be sure it i Jesus talking when we are in prayer? We know because His Word is his testimony. There was a time when Christians were not permitted to read the scriptures for themselves. Only the Popes and Priests were allowed to do that. They were the interpreters. Foxes Book of Martyrs is a testimony as to how that heresy was overcome. now we are able to rightfully divide the spirit of Truth by His Word and the "teacher" given to us by Jesus. It is not of private interpretation..

 

I did not just cry "strawman" - You accused me of saying things I did not say and I posted exactly what those things were. Don't blame me for your logical fallacy.

Right - then why does the majority of Christianity includes "works" in the salvation formulation.

Hilarious that you post "look here look here this guy Greasy Creasy - did an audio tape" and on this basis we should just accept your words rather than the words of Jesus. Your problem is that you let others do your thinking for you instead of using the brain that God gave you.

I hate to burst your bubble but, Jewish law is about works ... as is the Sermon on the Mount.
The disciples did not believe in the "Sola Fide" doctrine. Sorry.

 

I guess I now have something in common with Jefferson when he had to explain freedom FROM religion to the Danbury Baptists. He coined the term SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE which is effectively the same as saying that the secular government of We the People are free FROM any influence of religion when it comes to choosing how best to govern ourselves.

https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

Jefferson could just as easily have used the term Separation of Church FROM State instead but perhaps he didn't want to end up quibbling with the Danbury Baptists. Since they raised no objections that I am aware of to his letter they must have been satisfied with his explanation.

I have no problem terminating this discussion at this point if you so wish.

 

So the ONLY "evidence" that you can provide for the existence of your deity is the self referencing bible.

FTR there is nothing "living" about the bible since it is not "updated" on a regular basis to be relevant to evolving human society.

 

No, but you don;t have to build a crane in order to eat.
Basic physics is required to erect large structures, but some deny the people had any knowledge of such things, even though they clearly did it.

 

Naw, insisting on straw men and quibbling isn't something I recall Jefferson ever having done./

No, he understood what frrom OF religion means so...

 

Ironic!

Jefferson used the term "Separation Of" when referencing church and state just as he used the same term to describe the Separation of Powers when referencing the three branches of government.

 

Which is freedom of religion, not freedom from...

 

Jefferson used the term "Separation of CHURCH and STATE" to explain the 1st amendment thusly;

What exactly does "building a wall of Separation BETWEEN Church and State" mean if not ensuring that the state is free FROM the influence of religion?

 

You don't get it. The Bible does not need "updates". Human nature does not "evolve". We murder today just like we did 6,ooo years ago. We also lie, cheat and steal. It's real similar to the law of gravity. It doesn't change. Sure, it is also common for humans to feel they have reached an age of "enlightenment". We've had our "renaissances as well as our "dark ages". Left to your own imagination the cycle will repeat. The answer is not found between your own two ears. Sorry.

 

The Bible is a Book of Alternatives Facts
The Bible is a Book of Contradictions Alternatives Facts

 

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A bigger danger comes from the Betsy DeVoss Dept of Ed. If she successfully pushes school vouchers for religious institutions, a lot more kids are going to be subjected to indoctrination.

 

1) Jefferson's letter was a private communication and not a part of any legal document

2) Jefferson's words are presented exactly 180 degrees opposite of what they mean in the left's convoluted explanations

3) The earliest Charters, state constitutions, etc. all required people to be white and Christian as prerequisites to being able to vote or hold public office.

 

(my emphasis)

Herein we see the problem with religions and the religious. Everyone solemnly believes they can speak for their god and define what does and does not constitute a true believer.

By his definition, Catholics are not Christians since they do not not adhere to the concept of Sola fide.

 

On the contrary, the answers, as the questions, do lie between our ears. Even the bible is the product of human minds - many who wrote, many who later edited and compiled, and many more who have since added their interpretations to what was written.

 

And yet many Christians rely on the OT for their knowledge of origins.

You folks would have had it a lot easier if Marcion had won out.

 

Ja. They go wrong as soon as they say "the Bible is a Book," since while technically it is published as one today, none of it was originally written as such.

 

The Christians who rely on the OT to tell them where life, the universe and everything came from are both tragic and amusing.

 

Where did I post that "human nature evolves"?

Your strawman fallacy is ridiculous.

SOCIETY evolves and religions that fail to adapt will go the way of the dinosaurs. The fastest growing "religion" in the world is "none of the above" and the reason for that is the major religions are bogged down in Stone Age dogma that is irrelevant to a society that is evolving to embrace the technology that enables the instant communication of new ideas and discoveries.

 

Pardon the intrusion, but I gotta go along with Indofred on this one. Evidence? Using the Brady analogy, Brady, pretty much subconciously...

Evaluates where the receiver will at a specific point in time given the known speed of the receiver, the condition of the field and the anticipated disruption to the receivers path by opposing players.

Evaluates how hard to throw the ball and the angle of release.

 

True.
A whole selection of "christian" madrases. Creationism and other myths taught, science downplayed, and we wonder why the US fares poorly in comparison with other countries for student attainment?
DeVoss will accelerate the decline, but "education" (indoctrination) for profit will boom.

 

Still wrong. The "Beatitudes" are not stand-alone commands. They are 9 seemingly contradictory statements which are all linked (one leads to the next) and would be understood by a practicing Jew. They are followed by 6 propositions which exceed the Mosaic law, followed by 6 applications of the law, ending with a call to action. The purpose is to seek and follow God's will.

For example, blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven refers to people who recognize they fall short and need God, you first must recognize you do not have a proper relationship with God in order to start the path to the Kingdom of Heaven. Blessed are those who mourn refers to people who are sorrowful over their poverty in spirit and they have a desperate desire for God. Blessed are the meek means a person who recognizes their poverty in spirit and need for God and understand that they are not God and cannot fill the void on their own, the "meek" recognize their position with respect to God. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness are those who recognize their poverty in spirit, mourn over the loss of spirituality, recognize they cannot fill the void themselves and need God, and seek out God (hunger and thirst for God). And so on.

Its all about seeking God and faith.

Look at the first proposition which exceeds the law:

“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.​

It means do not get angry, let the anger fester and grow to the point you murder. And the Hebrew word used is "murder", the premeditated illegal killing of another person. It does not mean a person should not get angry, it means a person should address their anger before it gets out of hand, don't let your anger be the first step in the path to something bad such as murder.

Its not a sermon on getting along with the Romans.

 

Christianity is not Judaism. Judaism is based on following the Mosaic Law, which is both works and faith. In Christianity, the Mosaic Law is the line by which peoples inability to reach God is shown (nobody can follow it perfectly).

Christianity believes a person is saved through faith, and expresses their salvation through works. That's very clear in James, Peter, and almost all of Paul's writings.

I mention Dr. Creasy to educate you. He was a full prof at UCLA English Dept, knows Greek, Hebrew, and English, and taught the Bible course at UCLA for 20+ years. The course was taught from the perspective of the Bible as ancient literature, taught from the original Greek and Hebrew so there is no translation issue. His recorded lectures are available. A smart person will take advantage of it.

 

Not my definition. Its very clear in the New Testament, in James, Peter, and most of Paul's writings. Salvation through faith, not by works.

Christianity is not a popularity contest. It does not matter how many people are wrong. You either believe what is clearly written, or you don't.

 

Paul had nothing to do with teaching what Jesus said or wanted. He made it all up. Felt it was a better route to go than persecuting them. You know, false teachings, lead them straight to hell with false teachings.
Even the founding christian church abs it's followers wouldn't get to heaven according to Paul/Saul the persecutor. For they don't follow Saul the persecutors words. Thankfully.

And if it's so 'clearly' written. Why are there so many christian denominations?
Which, if any, follow this 'clearly' written words?

Where does it say in the bible, as you claim, that "Jesus is THE son of God"?