The case for Russia collusion against the Democrats

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    The less empirical data and the more declaration the probability is that a righty is talking.
     
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    We'll repeat this again because apparently your IQ is too low for it to register the first time. Per your own alt-left propaganda site regarding the importance of the Cohen-Prague story:

    How important is the Prague story? Per the article: "The stakes are immense".
    If true it does "confirm an important section" of the dossier and conspiracy.
    Prague story would be"major evidence" of Trump/Russia collusion
    Other accusations against Trump are"not in the same league as Prague”.
    A meeting like the Prague confirmed "would be the crown jewel" of the investigation.
    Or as they say, Mueller would regard a Prague meeting as "core" to his investigation.

    *chuckles* You really are a glutton for punishment are you? Good God.

    Irrelevant. Roger Stone didn't commit a crime while tweeting at Wikileaks. Left wing moron.

    It's not a "claim". The dossier is done. It's obliterated. Only alt-left propaganda still clings to it. It was a left wing fraud paid for and perpetrated by corrupt left wingers. None of the collusion allegations have ever been corroborated and now some of the biggest accusations in it are being proven as blatant frauds.
     
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    Trump's "crooked" but you can't name a single crime he has committed. Yet, the email proof that the Democratic primaries were rigged for Hillary are "lies". ROFL

    This left wing bizarro world where up is down and black is white. It's a deep seated severe mental illness. No other explanation.
     
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    Like Jussie Smollett, the Covington kids, and the Buzzfeed article? *chuckles*
     
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    You think you will be provide a single crime Trump or his campaign committed sometime this century? All this yapping and no substance. Don't you get tired of looking foolish?
     
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    The most honest? Well, compared to other Democrats, you're probably right.

    AOC’s chief of staff ran $1M slush fund by diverting campaign cash to his own companies

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-diverting-campaign-cash-to-his-own-companies
     
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    One can immediatly figure out that you have no intelligent arguement by the fact that you have to constantly resort to personal attacks instead of responding intelligently to what my post actually said.

    And I notice you appear unable to explain this post of yours. What dossier did you think Cohen was accused of obliterating?


    MickAtNight said:
    Uh huh. "Maybe one of the guys we were claiming was a core player to collusion (Cohen) was falsely accused of collusion (obliterating the dossier) and he knows of no evidence that anyone else did.....but, trust us, it still did somehow, someway!"

    And just so you know what I said was Cohen testified to hearing Stone tell Trump about the dump of Wiki leak documents. I didn't mention Stone tweeting. Where did you come up with " Stone didn't commit a crime while tweeting at Wikileaks" Are you so befuddled you can't understand the difference between a tweet and a phone call.

    Lets see if you can actually respond to the above instead of resorting to personal attacks which really only prove your intellectual defects.
     
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    I love your arrogance smothered in ignorance. Impressive even for a lib. You are just a parrot for the communist party and a joke. Look in the mirror genius. Zzzzzzz
     
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    This is such hardcore nonsense. Stupid people exist on both sides of the fence and there is a whole lot of stupid on both sides.
     
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    Conspiracy to defraud the United States. Insurance Fraud. Tax Fraud. Obstruction of justice.

    But keep projecting. Its obvious a symptom of that severe illness you mentioned.
     
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    He said squawking the usual far right wing bullshit while demonstrating his own ignorance. If you keep working hard I'm sure you can graduate to big boy school.
     
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    Link to evidence? You would think that if there was real proof of any of that Pelosi would have started impeachment proceedings. You would think Mueller would move quickly to remove a President with those types of crimes. Yet, no real evidence whatsoever has been provided. Nothing. Yet, we do know the DNC rigged the primaries.

    And now Nadler is talking about disregarding the Mueller probe and launching his own hoax because Mueller is not going to report what he wanted. All that after spending two years screaming for the sanctity of the witch hint. Your base is mentally sick.
     
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    Your assumption of impeach proceedings not being undertaken is hardly evidence of lack of evidence.

    And no, mueller would not "move quickly". That's not how he operates nor is the way that such investigations proceed.

    And as for "real evidence", there is actually quite abit of it. Its just that you refuse to accept it as "real". I don't think that it is enough yet to come to a complete conclusion.

    For instance, I am of the opinion that it is entirely possible that the russians simply treated trump and his campaign as the greatest intell useful idiots in history. Dangling a deal in front of him (one he'd been after for at least a decade) is the best kind of bait in those scenerios.

    And Nadler isn't talking about disregarding Mueller. Apparently you aren't familiar with his consultations with Mueller to ensure they did not step on what Mueller was up to.

    As for mentally sick, I defer to your obvious life long experience.
     
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    Because you are ass hurt doesn't change reality. I'll repeat what I said because you still don't get it:

    How important is the Prague story? Per the article: "The stakes are immense".
    If true it does "confirm an important section" of the dossier and conspiracy.
    Prague story would be"major evidence" of Trump/Russia collusion
    Other accusations against Trump are"not in the same league as Prague”.
    A meeting like the Prague confirmed "would be the crown jewel" of the investigation.
    Or as they say, Mueller would regard a Prague meeting as "core" to his investigation


    That's a slap down. And if you felt insulted maybe you need to look in the mirror. *chuckles*
    Now pretending it doesn't exist? Probably smart considering the beat down you and your ilk are getting over it.


    Jesus Christ, dude. Have you been in a hole for the past 3 years? Twitter is how Stone and wikileaks communicated: https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-stone-and-wikileaks-directly-messaged-during-election

    Even to the point of the two arguing. Same as probably many other people who were trying to figure out how wiki got the hacked emails. There was no evidence of a phone call. That's phony left wing propaganda. You seem to know how to spread it. You did it right here on this post. Sick.

    And, no, Stone committed no crimes during his interactions during the campaign with wikileaks or anyone else. Deal with it, chump.
     
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    You really believe if they had hard evidence that the guy they so vehemently hate (Trump) had committed tax evasion or conspiracy to defraud the United States or conspiracy with a foreign power to rig a U.S. election that they wouldn't move immediately to have him removed??? LOLOLOLOLOLOL This guy would be a danger to the country if true. The fact is it's not true. There is no evidence. This is why there have no allegations. That's why there has been zero movement. They are in a fishing expedition that's come up empty.

    I call real evidence as facts. Michael Cohen "claiming" anything is not evidence. Alt-left propaganda sites spewing their rhetoric is not evidence. Proof is in the pudding. There have been no charges against Trump or his campaign by Mueller. Rosenstein is going around and cautioning left wing groups that he or Mueller have "no right to make accusations against people without proof". You keep clinging to this nonsense. You did right here by spewing alt-left accusations with NOTHING to back it.



    Let's hope Nadler isn't in "consultation" with Mueller. That would show the Democrats are indeed criminals. LOL. And, yes, he is diregarding Mueller. Look at his list of investigations and people he is calling in. Someone like Carter Page. The FBI had a wiretap on him for a year. They collected all of his electronic communications. He has been grilled for hours by both House and Senate committees. Mueller has raked his story over the coals and traced every communication, every movement. There is simply nothing there. No illegal activity. The fact that Nadler wants to continue this nonsense is absurd. It's mentally sick. It's the epitome of a witch hunt and is another left wing hoax. Be man enough to call it. Nadler needs to accept Mueller's findings even if he doesn't like them. He and his ilk spent 2 years talking about the sanctity of it. Sick stuff.

    I obviously struck close too home for you. Lulz
     
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    And this is why the Demoncrats are starting their own new investigations. If there was anything on Trump there would be no need. Having nothing they have to keep the narrative going until next year. Trump needs to sue them to stop this nonsense.
     
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    You seem to be being deliberatly obtuse. Nobody said Stone didn't communicate with Wikileaks by Email. You said Stone communicated with Trump by Email.

    And you seem fixated on that one article which nowhere says that Cohen was a pillar of the collusion charges. Learn to read. It says that if the Prague story was confirmed it would have been major evidence of collusion. Doesn't anywhere say Cohen was a key to authenticating the dossier. Nor does it say Cohens lack of knowledge about Prague disproves the dossier. Nor does it say anywhere that the dossier has been disproved.

    Keep trying to pretend that your article confirms your statements. Or maybe you could find actual proof.
     
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    Please tell me how you fem boys are the big boys?
     
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    Remove him from office immediately? Seems you are completely unaware of the constitution, the law and administration policy.

    So I can readily understand why you would proffer such a stupid excuse.


    I totally agree that in the legal process, the law has no right to make accusations against people without proof. IN fact I believe that is a foundational principle of the entire legal system - you know that whole grand jury process, indictments and then trial?. Its up to a JUDGE to determine if the evidence presented is damning or exculpatory.

    I get how you don't quite get it tho.




    What crime would democrats have committed by consulting with Meuller?

    I know you don't want to actually look at WHY further investigation into the myriad of shady dealings and potential crimes, nope its just so much easier to ignore the substance and attack the process.



    Nice projection. I notice that those you don't agree with are mentally ill. Sounds like a form of anosognosia. I'd get that checked out - not that it would do much good of course.
     
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    "fem boys"? Thanks for the insight AND the evidence you haven't graduated to big boy school yet.
     
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    Of course you couldn't answer it. You're a joke.
     
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    I never mentioned Stone talking to Trump about anything so knock off your pathetic lying. I will say this AGAIN: Stone did nothing illegal while interacting with Wikileaks. Therefore, whatever he might have told or not told Donald Trump about Wikileaks is irrelevant.

    It takes a very special low IQ not to grasp that. Lulz

    Yes, it does. It uses the word "core" to describe it. It uses the phrase "major evidence". It calls it "important". It refers to it as the "crown jewel". Anything described as such is a pillar to investigation. I'm sorry kid this pisses you off so badly. Your ilk took a major beatdown and you are having a tough time dealing with it. Chump.

    The Cohen story was a MAJOR theme in the dossier. It was "core" to the Russia collusion allegation. It was the "crown jewel" of the accusation. When it was so thoroughly debunked as a complete fraud what do you think it did to the rest of the uncorroborated allegations? If a witness claims he saw 2 specific guys robbing a bank but it turns out the first guy was proven not to be at the bank at the time and, therefore, the allegation against him was fraudulent what do you think it does to the allegation against the 2nd guy who they can't corroborate his whereabouts? That's right, my low IQ chump. The accusation's credibility has crumbled. "Yeah, everything we COULD verify has turned out to be a fraud in the dossier's collusion allegations....but the stuff we can't prove is still true". ROFL. Good God. That is sick.
    It takes a very mentally ill people. to try to continue to cling this. Your base is mentally sick. Be proud.
     
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    Good freaking God you people are a joke. I never said "remove him from office immediately". I said "move immediately to have him removed". Is your IQ high enough to understand the difference? Or are you in such a desperate position that you are being forced to alter what is said in order for it to make any sense?

    I'm not talking about how long it takes to remove. I'm talking about STARTING the removal. Why would Mueller sit for 2 years and produce no allegation whatsoever to start impeachment against Trump or his campaign if he had evidence Trump was a danger to America? Either Mueller and his band of Trump hating Democrats are in cahoots with Trump to take down America or they simply don't have evidence that warrants such drastic measures. Try thinking for once. I know that is foreign to the low IQ of electorate.....but Jesus Christ.




    Yet, the accusations YOU have made against President Trump. The accusations your ilk have made against Kavanaugh.....or the Smollett story.....or the Convington kids makes your statement a LOLOLOLOLOL moment.

    You and your ilk have lost all meaning of due process. You hate that notion that is so truly American. Despicable scum.





    That's conspiracy and a scandal at the greatest level. If that basket case Nadler wants to turn over whatever transcripts he wants then go right ahead. But he cannot "consult" with the special counsel. The fact you actually believe that shows how messed up your notion of right and wrong is.

    Their are no crimes by Trump or his campaign. We've been over this. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.





    *shrug* Call it what you want. You're mentally ill.
     
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    Well given your question is indicative of the low IQ of the electorate, appealing to your savior is perhaps your best bet.

    OTOH, I guess you are unfamiliar with the legal process. A special counsel doesn't throw out allegations. It throws out INDICTMENTS. And so far Mueller is following the usual "anti racketeering" strategy of picking off the lower levels BEFORE nailing the bosses. But I do get how those in the low IQ electorate might not be familiar with how the absence of indictments to date is proof of innocence.


    I see dismissal is your only retort.

    Its not just me that have made allegations in the court of public opinion. Perhaps a more appropriate whataboutery would be the dozen or so investigation into Clinton and the outrageous bullshit allegations that were made, that couldn't be backed up with evidence.

    You truly are a master projector. As for truly american due process, it seems you aren't all that aware of what due process entails.


    He alleged without a shred of evidence but a mountain of partisan bias. And yes he can certainly consult with an ongoing criminal investigation. Yet another indication that you are not familiar with due process or the rule of law.



    Now that is rich. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. You should speak to your dear leader - apparently he isn't aware that it doesn't.



    When you got nothin' else, you revert to a lame ad hom. Typical response from the intellectually bankrupt.
     
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