The New York Times this morning published a deep dive into the Keith Ellison allegations: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/keith-elllison-karen-monahan.html The whole thing is worth a read. But the details all point to the allegations being largely bogus -- the result of a bad breakup, not actual abuse. -- Large numbers of women who were involved with Ellison -- including his ex-wife -- never experienced anything like these allegations. -- Ellison's daughter, who lived with them, said that Monohan became "actively territorial and threatening" toward her. -- If Ellison met with female friends, Monahan accused him of cheating on her. -- Monahan continued to ask Ellison for assistance. As recently as May 2018, she called him to come get her when she ran out of gas on the highway. -- Monahan accused Ellison's current girlfriend of "stealing" Ellison's affections -- Monahan claims to have a video of Ellison assaulting her, but first said she misplaced it, then said she shouldn't have to prove her claims. She also claims her laptop was hacked and text messages between her and Ellison were "randomly" deleted, by way of explaining why she can't provide text messages showing Ellison being abusive toward her. Anyway, read the article. It goes into far more detail than I can put here.
Interesting.... I wonder what our RW friends (those that bother reading your link) have to say about the phrase “narcissist abuse” If they are honest, and don't just pile on Keith Ellison for his political affiliation and religion, they should be relatively outraged that something so nebulous (I.E. Non tangible) would gain any traction.. I'm glad somebody made a loose connection between these allegations and Al Franken... P.S. You probably need to fix your thread title... I think you have to take the entire title (if it fits), not just parts of it...
Yep. I'm with Betsy Hodges on this one, as should everyone, IMO: “I want to make sure that women are believed,” said Betsy Hodges, a former mayor of Minneapolis who identifies as a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and who used to see Mr. Ellison, 55, and Ms. Monahan, 44, together at political events. “I also want to make sure that we follow a process when we evaluate. A bad breakup is not the same thing as abuse.” I shortened it because I didn't think it would fit. If the mods disagree, they will change it.
Interesting that the NYT missed the previous abuse case filed against Ellison from 2005 for the exactly the same trement of a woman. This smarmy little man is a serial abuser. EXCLUSIVE: 911 Record Documents Woman's Claim of Keith Ellison's Domestic Assault https://www.lauraloomer.us/blog/911-record-documents-claim-of-keith-ellison-s-domestic-assault More Skeletons In Ellison’s Closet: Assault Allegation From 2005 Resurfaces http://alphanewsmn.com/more-skeletons-in-ellisons-closet-assault-allegation-from-2005-resurfaces/
So basically Ellison is supposedly this awful, wretched human being but all the evidence suggests that's all bullshit.
The 911 calls will be damaging, especially if they release the tapes or the tapes of those calls are leaked. Ellison is no saint.
Yes but it went far further in the MN media in 2005. Don't get me wrong, if the democrat party wants to support a man with a history of abusing women I am fine with that, my personal objection to Ellison is his no borders and his support of ANITFA.
I live in MN. It was seen as a last-minute political dirty trick, mostly. It never went anywhere. Of course, he DOESN'T have such a history. But you be you, and keep claiming allegations are fact when it is politically convenient for you. Okay. Irrelevant to this thread.
His own religion says its ok to hit women so why should we be surprised? And no surprise the left is in full coverup mode.
That doesn't make it false does it. Of course it does. I see you need another lesson in your own Party's history. Kennedy left a woman to die in a car, Bill Clinton with multiple accusers of sexual assault and rape, Jessie Jackson sexual assult, your buddy Al (forget about him raytri or was that ok too?) big doner Harvey Weistein, John Conyers, Bob Filner, Raul Bocanegra, Dan Schoen, Tony Mendoza, Ira Silverstein, Steve Lebsock. Seriously, what planet have you been on? Of course it isn't. Antifa also uses violence to get their point across.
True. But the investigation of that call went nowhere. And Ellison was granted a restraining order against HER. And then we have the testimony of a LOT of women who were involved with Ellison who say he was always respectful to them.
We need to decide what the position is on these issues. We can’t say it’s NEVER ok to doubt a woman who accuses a man, and then doubt some women who accuse men.
Allow me to play devils advocate. Plenty of women said trump never groped them, and none had proof. Did you believe them?
I don’t think it’s really that complicated. Such accusations need to be taken seriously and investigated — that’s it. It’s not “always believe that an accusation equals a crime.”
It made National headlines and forced the DNC to respond to the charges. These charges will have be addressed at some point even though it did not affect the outcome of his election. However, it may mean that he will eventually have to step down from public office. But yea, the timing of it was meant to damage his chances to get into office, no doubt. Besides the 911 calls. People don't just call 911 for the fun of it, they are seriously scared to death. Once the audio of these 911 calls is released, we will know a lot more. Do we know if the police showed up on site and if there was a police report? I think any politician who supports ANTIFA is a threat to our Democracy. ANTIFA should be labelled as a terrorist organization. They are way too far left and radical.
Yes. I don’t think even Trump could grope EVERY woman he crossed paths with. But the Ellison allegations involve women Ellison was dating or living with. As such, I find the testimony of other women that Ellison dated or lived with to be relevant. I find it unlikely that Ellison would be a saint to most of his girlfriends, and a monster to a couple. People just don’t swing that far.
And that means what? People don't dial 911 because they want to order groceries. Germane to what you think is the topic or not, my position is Keith Ellison is a smarmy little prick with a very hot temper.
Just to be clear, I was talking about the 2005 allegation. Are you? Agreed. And to be clear, there is nothing inherently suspicious about the timing. I can understand people waiting until their attacker appears poised to take some big step before they are motivated to come forward. I don’t know. Okay, but again, not relevant to this thread.
I was referring to his allegations, in general. I thought they all came up at some point even when the most recent allegations were released.
Yep, the 2005 allegation was rehashed when Monahan made her recent allegation. But in 2005, it was a nothingburger.
